Karunanidhi, Jaggi Vasudev and Sankaracharya – A Comparitive Study of contemporary events in Indian Secular context

Karunanidhi, Jaggi Vasudev and Sankaracharya – A Comparitive Study of contemporary events in Indian Secular context
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Karunanidhi, Jaggi Vasudev and Sankaracharya

Atheism, Religion and Politics of “Spirituality”: The attitude of Karunanidhi, a sworn atheist and surprisingly heading a State of
Secular India perplexes in any aspect – politically, socially, and psychologically. His mind-set towards Hindu religion, Hindu Gods and Goddesses, Hindu scriptures, Hindu rituals, rites and ceremony has been also intriguing, as he has been passing only sarcastic, caustic and venomous remarks, comments and criticism, whether it is warranted or wanton. The just-past events make Indians to view the inconsistencies, contradictions or inexplicable things crept into similar events but dealt with differently by various people, authorities and others involved. How and why the rulers behave with one group of religious believers in one particular way, whereas with other, they act differently? Is there any selective atheism that one should believe in one god but blaspheme other god? Is there any spirituality that trees [planted by one would grow and planted by others wither away?

Appeasement or expiation? He called the Grama-pujaris ( Village
Temple priests) as “Pandarams, Paradeshis” and so on, but participated in the Conference organized by VHP in
Madurai. After coming to power, ironically, he activated the Board for them (in early 2007), obviously to appease them, expiate or repent for the sins committed, if at all, he is believed in it. More irony is the “thanks-giving” functions organized by Gramapujarigal Peravai, a VHP affiliated organization. In fact, though the board was set up in 2001, it did not function in the last five years. S.Vedantham, the Managing Trustee of the Board, who met the Chief Minister (as reported by the Hindu 24-12-2006) brought this to the notice of the non-functioning and he agreed to do the needful.
Hindu organisations, led by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, had thus succeeded in getting the demands of lakhs of Grama Koil Poojaris (village temple priests) fulfilled at last when M. Karunanidhi cleared on January 13, 2007, the proposal to constitute a welfare board for village priests in the state. The board is a social security measure for priests of village temples not coming under the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments department that administers bigger temples. A few weeks before the state govrnment’s announcement, VHP leaders including its international vice president Shri. S. Vedantam and state youth wing organiser Shri. R.R. Gopaljee met the Chief Minister to press the VHP demand in favour of Grama Koil Poojaris.

The Arrest of Sankaracharya in 2004: On the Deepavali eve in November 2004, Sankarachary was arrested. Karunanidhi, the arrest in a murder case as an “honest and commendable action.” He hoped that the law would be allowed to take its course without interference. Addressing a press conference here, he said though it could not be denied that the All-India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam Government had “close links with the Sankara Mutt,” its head was arrested. A fast, planned by the DMK and its allies at Kancheepuram demanding the arrest of the Sankaracharya, was not necessary, thanks to the police action, he said.  Karunanidhi said the arrest episode reminded him of the saying, “if a virtuous woman commits a sin she can cleanse herself by having a dip in the
Ganges but where will she go seeking atonement if the holy river itself is polluted?” The atheist and secular CM does not apply the same yardstick to all!

Karunanidhi kept quite when Jaggi Vasudev was charged with murder in 1997: The following is the Indian Express report as appearing on October 12, 1997 about Police registering a case of murder by Jaggi Vasudev:

Coimbatore, Oct, 11: Close on the heels of scandals relating to fake godmen getting exposed, yet another ashram from Coimbatore is in the limelight with Jaggi Vasudev aliash Jagadeesh of Isha Yoga ashram at Poondi near Coimbatore, being charged with the murder of his wife Viji alias Vijayakumari.A team of police personnel recently visited the premises of Isha Ashram at poondi and interrogated the inmates of the ashram. Godman Jaggi is away in the US.According to police, T. S. Ganganna of
Bangalore (father of Viji) had preferred a complaint with the Bangalore Police suspecting foul play in the death of his daughter Viji. The complaintant had stated that his daughter left him last on June 15, 1996. He reportedly received a message on January 23, 1997, from Jaggi Vasudev, stating that Viji was no more.
Ganganna said that Jaggi Vasudev had hurriedly completed the cremation on Jan.24 even before they could rush from
Bangalore, raising suspicion about the nature of death. He suspected death due to poisoning or strangulation.
According to him, Jaggi Vasudev could have caused the death of Viji to facilitate his illicit relationship with yet another inmate of the ashram. Based on the complaint of Ganganna to the Bangalore City Police on Aug. 12, a case was registered.The Bangalore City Police transferred it to the Coimbatore Rural Police.The Coimbatore Rural Police have registered a case against Jaggi Vasudev under Section 302 of IPC (murder) and IPC 201 (suppression of evidence).Later. Isa Yoga Foundatrion has denied reports that Jaggi Vasudev had fled to
USA to avoid investigation of ashram. Authorised Signatory of Ashram Kiran stated that Guruji had gone for giving lectures . ENS

But nothing is known to the Public or citizens of Tamilnadu or Karnatka. Incidentally, just after the arrest of Sanaracharya, a Catholic priest was arrested in Kanyakumari area for murder, rape etc., Though, initially reports appeared in newspapers, totally there was silence in the media. In fact, about Jaggi nothing came in any TV-Channel, as compared to wide, prolonged and repeated coverage of Sankarachrya. No eminent writer, actress or any other complained or gave interview in SUN or UDAY TV. And Karunanidhi – oh, it did not concern at all. He never comented after reading newspaper said the episode reminded him of the saying, “if a virtuous woman commits a sin she can cleanse herself by having a dip in the
Ganges but where will she go seeking atonement if the holy river itself is polluted?” Why, obviously. Because, Jaggi was not arrested! No agitation announced urging the government to arrest.
On November 13, 2002, he said laws should be enacted to curb fake godmen mushrooming. Those who introduced such laws must have a progressive outlook and a commitment to rid society of superstition. Awareness should be created among the people to end frauds committed in the name of god, religion and spirituality. The heads of mutts should not misuse religious symbols to cover up their wrongdoings, he said. “We wish that the trial is conducted in a fair manner without any interference. Let us wait and see how things take their course” was his reply to a question on apprehensions raised, considering the Sankaracharya”s “political influence.” On reports of persons holding high offices visiting the Mutt to show their proximity to the Sankaracharya, Mr. Karunanidhi said it was unfair that constitutional functionaries such as the President were made to stand before religious heads. How then, he accommodated a charge-sheeted and murder accused person, sat with him? Before Indian law also, like Karunanidhi, the Saints are discriminated by religion ad ideology? Can the Law and judiciary be ideologized? NYes, naturally, wjen atheist or Communist or Communalist Judges are appointed by the Politicians, how they would deliver judgments?

Karunanidhi urges ascetics to follow Jaggi Vasudev’s lead 2007: The nation and the world would be better off, if all the ascetics follow the path shown by Jaggi Vasudev, founder of Isha Foundation, in environmental protection, Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi said on 24-09-2007. Addressing a function organised by the foundation to mark its 25th anniversary, he said he always held in high esteem the religious leaders such as Kundrakudi Adigal and his successor for their service to Tamil. He respected Sri Jaggi Vasudev for his effort at planting of saplings. He preferred ascetics who strove for social uplift to those who focused only on religion. Those who talked of religion alone issued fearsome threats and imprecation, the Chief Minister said, presiding over the launch of a campaign for planting of 2.5 crore saplings. http://www.thehindu.com/2007/09/24/stories/2007092454470500.htmD.R. Karthikeyan, former Director, Central Bureau of Investigation, referred to the agrarian crisis in different parts of the country and said insurance cover and remunerative prices would solve the problems of farmers. Launching the green campaign, Kanimozhi, Member of Parliament, said religion was meant for elevating people, not to divide them. Sudha Raghunathan, musician and devotee of Sri Jaggi Vasudev, welcomed the gathering. They never cared for Jaggi’s involvement.The speech of Karunanidhi during the Silver jubilee function of Isha Yoga Maiyam held at the grounds of Anna University on 23rd September had been interesting to note, as on the same day so many other things were going on. This is given, because, “The Hindu” had given only edited version. “The tree-planting activity has been going on and I get an opportunity to participate. I can understand the love of people in the service of tree plantation who have come from hamlets and villages, which is possible because of the hard work of Karttikeyan and efforts of  Sathguru. I can feel about the attraction of Sathguru”s advice and gracious words reaching hamlets. There have been many Turaviyar. I breathe out with emotion how this land, why any land would have grown with this type of hermits. I had immense regard for the great Hindu saint Kundrakkudi Adigalar. The reason is that he nurtured Tamil. As the present pontiff also works for the Tamil development, I have contact with him. Sathuguru does not grow religion. I love him because he grows trees. One may order to bring head, bring hand, bring tongue only, when he grows religion. But one can give excellent advice to people for good living, if he grows trees. Sathguru does that only. I was really taken aback that he could attract such a large gathering of  people. I feel happy also. It may appear very simple about planting trees now, but it would help for nation”s growth”.Last year, on 16-10-2006, the same type of function was organized. http://www.thehindu.com/2006/10/16/stories/2006101616890600.htm

Jaggi reacts to Karunanidhi: On 29-09-2007, he reacted as follows on various subjects, including Ramasethu! “Only experts in ecology, heritage and economic aspects should decide what should happen there,” said Jaggi Vasudev, founder of the Isha Foundation, about the Ramar Sethu issue. In an interview to The Hindu he said: “This is not just about Ramar Sethu. (So Karunanidhi asked him to talk like that or his belief did so?) We are doing this all the time. Whether it is the titanium plant in Tamil Nadu or the car unit in Bengal, the SEZs somewhere else, we are trying to decide things on the streets. This is not the way to build a nation. These things must be decided by knowledgeable people, and those who are qualified to do that.”Religion and spirituality: Elaborating on the activities of the Foundation, he said its essential work was spiritual. “There is a very fundamental difference between religion and spirituality. When you say you belong to a certain religion, you naturally say that you are a believer. But the moment you say you are on a spiritual path, you are a seeker. A scientist is a seeker. In fact, they are in the same boat. One is seeking the outside realities. The other is seeking the inner realities.” Speaking on religion, Jaggi Vasudev said most religions probably started as a device for ultimate human well-being. “But these devices, over a period of time, are standing up like demons, ready to devour humanity. Whether they devour or not, they have definitely divided humanity. Unfortunately in a way you can’t unite, at least in the immediate span of time.”  Referring to the event held in Chennai recently, in which Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi participated, he points out that about 4.5 lakh people were present. “With no politics, no God, no enemy, you can’t gather so many people. But now, people are coming just to change their lives. We call it the silent revolution of self realisation.” On the Foundation’s involvement with the Tamil Nadu Government, he said, “For me, this does not mean an alignment with the Tamil Nadu Government or a particular party. People have honoured somebody with leadership. I have no business not to honour that.”‘Ethos of our culture’: The spiritual sciences were woven into the cultural fabric of India. And this science was expressed in the story form because India is a dialectical culture. Somewhere along the way, a few generations dropped the science and carried just the stories. Stories without science get exaggerated to ridiculous levels, he said.  “People should dare to look at life through current intelligence. That has been the ethos of this culture. There is no one book, one belief system we should follow. People can create their own gods. The god-making industry exists only in India and it’s fantastic. Nobody’s interested in God. People think God is a free ticket to well-being. People are interested in well-being.”

How Reverence changes from Jaggi to Sankaracharya? The repeated addressing of Jaggi as “Jagathdguru” is interesting in the context, as everybody knows, generally, it refers to Sankaracharya. But he never showed any such reverence to any Sankaracharya. How then, his sudden reverence to “Jaggi”? Of course, he has explained his own yardstick of measuring and assessing Turavis and Samiyars. He can only assess and judge them. Therefore, a dangerous situation is created in Tamilnadu, where certain religious leaders or Gurus are set against other religious Gurus and heads. Here, the religious Heads and Gurus should ponder over what they are upto? Karunanidhi as a CM may threaten them with HR C ” E Act for dire consequences. But, against the God, believers and scriptures, could they stoop down to such a mean level? Can they cheat their devotees and followers?

Hindus are thieves, bandits, barbarians, etc: Some years back in 2002, Karunanidhi drew the ire of some sections when he called Hindus “thieves”. “Do Hindus have a religion? Who is a Hindu? If you ask some right thinking people they’ll say that Hindu actually means a thief. I do no consider that to be a despicable thief, but a thief who has stolen the hearts,” He had stated while addressing a public meeting in 2002 organised by Muslim and Christian outfits to protest the anti-conversion ordinance of the then Jayalalithaa Government. Later, he reportedly clarified that he had merely quoted from a Hindi Encyclopedia published from
Varanasi. “It had defined a Hindu as cruel, servant and bandit. Nevertheless, I chose to ignore that definition and softened it to mean as thieves of hearts,” he said –
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/219610.html. He could call Hindus “thieves, bandits” and so on. He can call their God Rama a “drunkard” and so on. But none could question him. Even historians and religious heads could support his stand! What sort of secularism or spirituality is followed in
India?

FIR filed against Karunanidhi, case registered against Karunanidhi, but case withdrawn by Karunanidhi: Indians may be having short memory, but what about Hindus? Perhaps, they do not bother about anything! Within five years, Karunanidhi wants to dispose off the case filed against him! What a great ruler! Read the following:

October 24, 2002 – Karunanidhi talks nonsense about Hindus. On November 14, 2003, the Government gave sanction to prosecute Karunanidhi. A chargesheet was also filed and the case was posted for trial. May 21, 2007- On verification on Balasubramaniam, an advocate came to know that on a memo filed by the Public Prosecutor based on a G.O the case had been withdrawn.

FIR against Karunanidhi for anti-Hindu remarksPress Trust of
India
http://www.expressindia.com/about/feedback.html?url=http://www.expressi\India.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=16802″title=FIR%20against%20Karunanid\hi%20for%20anti-Hindu%20remarksPosted online: Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 1151 hours ISTUpdated: Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 1357 hours IST Chennai, November 14: Chennai police have registered an FIR against DMK President M. Karunanidhi for his recent alleged remarks against the Hindu community, police said on Thursday. The 14th Metropolitan Magistrate Paramaraj had on Wednesday directed police to investigate the complaint filed by one R. Premnath alleging that certain remarks by Karunanidhi had “hurt the sentiments of the Hindus”. The magistrate directed police to register a complaint and submit the preliminary investigation report within three weeks, police said.  Karunanidhi had allegedly made certain remarks against the Hindus at a conference organised in Chennai on October 24, 2002 by the Christian community to protest the anti-conversion law. Govt. withdraws case against Karunanidhi

Chennai, August 9, 2007: The Madras High Court today admitted a petition, challenging a Tamil Nadu Government order, withdrawing a case  against Chief Minister M Karunanidhi, relating to his alleged remarks  against Hindus. A Division Bench of Justice P K Misra and Justice R Banumathi admitted  the Public Interest Litigation and ordered notice, returnable by eight weeks, to Secretary to Public Department and DMK President M  Karunanidhi. In his PIL,Balasubramanian, an advocate, contended that on October, 2002, Karunanidhi made the remarks at a meeting with “a deliberate and malicious intention to hurt the sentiments of Hindus.” His client R Premnath, an advocate, filed a private complaint before a Metropolitan Magistrate. On November 14, 2003, the Government gave sanction to prosecute Karunanidhi. A chargesheet was also filed and the case was posted for trial. On  verification on May 21, 2007, he came to know that on a memo filed by  the Public Prosecutor based on a G.O the case had been withdrawn.

Contending that Karunanidhi after becoming Chief Minister rescinded the previous G.O by the present one, he said Karunanidhi had no locus standi to withdraw his own case. (Agencies)http://chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID=%7B2634CDA5-AF7F-4E\FB-BCC2-ED7CCAA28ECF%7D”CATEGORYNAME=TAMIL+NADUhttp://chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID=%7B2634CDA5-AF7F-4\EFB-BCC2-ED7CCAA28ECF%7D”CATEGORYNAME=TAMIL+NADUhttp://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/401200707161970.htm

It is said that no one should sit as a judge in his own case, but Karunanidhi does, because, he has been above Court, Act and rules. This has been a classical case proving that Karunanidhi does not respect law. So it is very dangerous to have such persons as rulers. Even Tiruvalluvar condemns such type of rulers. We do not know whether it is “Dravidian culture” or “Muslim culture”, or “Christian culture” he is following. Robert Clive and Warren Hastings had done such frauds. So can we say Karunanidhi follows them? Sir Isaac Newton has done it in condemning his enemy Leibniz. So can we say Karunanidhi followed Newton? Perhaps, that is why, he used to openly say and do it (We do what we say). No Court, no law nothing. Is it Hitlerism or otherwise? Or we call it “Karunanidhism” which may supercede all types fascism etc? When this is the position of a person occupying the highest chair, what would be the actions of his followers? Would they care for law or not? What would be position of people of Tamilnadu?

Ideologization of Judiciary and courts: The above discussion makes to think about the clear ideologization of Indian Judiciary and courts by the vested interests of Politicians. Here also, typically, the atheist, Communist, so-called minorities have been ganged up against one group. The Judges, Solicitor Generals, Public Prosecutors, ACGSCs, Councils and others at State and Central government level are blatantly nominated by the ruling parties with political and that too ideological affiliations. How then, they could give judgments against Rulers or their appointed masters? Above all, their ideology works at various levels satisfying their psycho-somatic needs. Indians may have to come out of this type of situation. The more irony is that a ruler can withdraw cases filed against himself! If that is the case, what about the cases filed against others? Perhaps, it is very easy. If a CM wants, he can arrest and put in jail ant religious leader or he can share with him in a dias and appreciate his work as divine”! Long live “atheist spirituality”!

VEDAPRAKASH

13-11-2007

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24 Responses to “Karunanidhi, Jaggi Vasudev and Sankaracharya – A Comparitive Study of contemporary events in Indian Secular context”

  1. vedaprakash Says:

    10 Responses to “Karunanidhi, Jaggi Vasudev and Sankaracharya – A Comparitive Study of contemporary events in Indian Secular context”

    1. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on November 16th, 2007

    It is right time that the so-called Dravidian leaders and others should be subjected to psychological study and analysis to scan out their intention.

    What actually, they have contributed to Tamil society or how much they soiled it has to be spelt out specifically by the genuine Tamil lovers. What is the use of going on hating Brahmins, blaspheming Hindu religion and inciting violence against them?

    How can a ruler be so blatant in hobnobbing with different people treating them variously?

    What is the nonsense of such atheist still heading Hindu Religious and Endowment Board?

    Should he not resign or go away from it, if at all, he has any wisdom, rationality or self-respect?

    Generations would remember what he told about Rama.

    2. nathappan Says:
    Posted on November 17th, 2007

    There is no need for further analysis and they can be condemned to calciration straightaway.

    They need to be pitied, for pushing themselves into a corner before painting.

    The very mouth with which they came to power has pushed them into this position.

    “Nunalum than vayal kedum”

    3. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on November 19th, 2007

    They ae not nunals, but different species all together.

    They act as vipers sometimes, bark like dogs and lick like dogs depending upon the opportunities and circumstances. The animal characteristics are compared only for driving out the point.

    As Karunanidhi ruled and rules Tamilnau, one should find out what he has dobe to Tamil people or indians?

    Why they have been crooked, insincere and greedy in sucking peoples’ money and enjoy life?

    Why they pretend as if they are angels, but actually do harm to the innocent people.

    The raise in disharmony during his reign should also be subjeced to study to brig out the facts.

    4. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on November 21st, 2007

    You mentioned that Jaggi was not arrested, but a sreach in google gives the following details:

    “I was in Coimbatore on the day when J Vasudev was arrested for allegedly murdering his wife. He was relatively unknown then and only the local Tamil papers carried the news. We did read about it for a few days before its inevitable disappearance from even the inside pages. If someone could check archives of Tamil newspapers (Coimbatore edition) and get some info on the FIR through the RTI, it might throw some light on the mystery of how his wife could not come back from deep meditation”.

    http://harmanjit.blogspot.com/2007/09/sadhguru-jaggi-vasudev-continued.html

    For this, there was a response which says:

    “N.Sriram:
    You are the second person to bring up this issue of Sadhguru’s arrest. The first was an acquaintance who met the arresting officer Selvam, who is currently dabbling with ’sciences’ like Astrology etc., If I remember correctly the matter of the arrest was brought up by the interviewer in one of the discussions with Sadhguru. Of course, he managed to distract himself exceptionally from the situation……..”.

    It is also said that whenever, the details about it are probed or posted in internet, they are scuttled:

    ” Anonymous said…
    Is there any one who has access to the Coimbatore newspapers with information about Viji Vasudev’s disappearance? If we did, and someone could upload a scanned image, we could add a wikipedia link on the subject. Some people have tried to post such things in the past on the “jaggi vasudev” page on wikipedia and it was promptly taken down by sadhguru devotees as being “slander.” From personal experience, I truly think this man is a crook”.

    How is it possible?

    5. Vedaprakash Says:
    Posted on November 21st, 2007

    I have made only comparative study, as the rulers involved act, interact and react discriminatively. That too, when the rulers like Karunanidhi have been atheist and so on.

    As you point out if the posted details are disturbed, meddled or made disappear etc., then, it is unimaginable for expressing one in blogging. Perhaps, there is no quarantee for oour postings also.

    Of course, we are for truth and the rulers, authorities and involved should clarify when there is any doubt, controversy or contradicting details appearing in the media or web.

    Total censoring, editing or blacking out details would not help any truth-seeker or researcher.

    After all, if details are suppressed, they can be accessed through different source. However, if all sources are systematically censored or blacked out or hacked out as the IT experts say, then, ordinary people like us cannot do anything.

    Anyway, if Jaggi Vasudev was arrested, then I have to change my interpretation of events taken place.

    I would be grateful if the facts are brought out in this regard.

    6. ramarsetu Says:
    Posted on November 22nd, 2007

    Jaggi Vasudev is definitely a fraud. He has mruky dealings with Karunanidhi to help him swindle government money. Check out the entries that I had posted regarding Jaggi:

    http://tinyurl.com/ytuv64

    http://tinyurl.com/ypvl7g

    http://tinyurl.com/3c2ngh

    7. Vedaprakash Says:
    Posted on November 25th, 2007

    As Mr. M. Nachiappan pointed out above, do you have any news-cuttings or details about –

    Jaggi’s arrest in coimbatore,
    how he was released,
    how the comlaint filed on him was withdrawn or settled legally,
    how he was totally came out or exonerated from such complications?

    We cannot simply say or dub that a person is “fraud”.

    8. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on July 17th, 2008

    கொலைக் குற்றவாளிகளான காஞ்சி சங்கராச்சாரிகளின் வழக்கைத்
    விரைவுப்படுத்தக் கோரி புதுச்சேரியில் நடைபெற்ற ஆர்ப்பாட்டம்

    http://www.viduthalai.com/20080716/news18.html

    புதுச்ச� ��ரி, ஜூலை 16- காஞ்சி சங்கராச்சாரிகளின் வழக்கை விரைவுபடுத்தக் கோரி 1-7-2008 அன்று காலை 10 மணியளவில் ஆர்ப்பாட்டம் தொடங்கியது. முதலில் கோமு. தமிழ்ச்செல் வன் தொடக்கவுரையாற்றி னார். தோழர்கள் ஆர்ப்பாட்ட முழக்கத்தை முழங்கினர். தலைமை வகித்த மாவட்ட திராவிடர் கழகத் தலைவர் வ.சு. சம்பந்தம் விளக்கவுரையாற்றி னார். தொடர்ந்து செயலாளர் இராசு, மகளிரணி அமைப் பாளர் விலாசினி, பொதுக்குழு உறுப்பினர் லோ. பழனி, மாவட்ட ப.க. தலைவர் வீர. இளங்கோவன், வே. அன்பரசன் ப.க. அமைப்புச் செயலாளர் பீம. கிருஷ்ணமூர்த்தி மற்றும் கழகத் தோழர்கள் உரை யாற்றினர். இடையிடையே மாவட்ட அமைப்பாளர் குமார், செயற்குழு உறுப்பினர் இரா. நா. முத்துவேல், இந்திரசித், அன்புநிலவன் ஆகி யோர் இயக்கப் பாடல்களைபாடி முழக்கமிட்டனர். ஆர்ப்பாட்டம் பகல் 12 மணிக்கு முடிவுற்றது. துணைச் செயலாளர் ஆ. சிவராசன் நன்றி யுரையாற்றினார்.

    ஆர்ப்பாட்டத்தி� �் ஜி. கிருஷ்ணமூர்த்தி, சிவ. வீரமணி, பெ. ஆதிநாராயணன், களஞ்சியம் வெங்கடேசன், இரா. சதாசிவம், கரு. சி. திராவிடச் செல்வன், தி. இராசா ஜீவன், மு. ஆறுமுகம், துரை. முனுசாமி, சா. பாலமுருகன், ப. மன்னாதி லிங்கம், சி.செல்வராஜ், ச. மீனா, டி. சரசுவதி, கலைவாணி, ஆறுமுகம், கு. பாஸ்கர், செ. இளங்கோவன், கே.ஜி. ஜெயச் சந்திரன், இராவணன், என். கணேசன், தேவராஜ், சு. சுப்பிர மணியன், ஆத்தூர் மகேந்திரன், பெரியசாமி, சக்திவேல் மற்றும் பல தோழர்கள் கலந்துகொண்டனர்.

    9. vinith Says:
    Posted on December 6th, 2008

    I completely agree with this post. He is nothing short of a Criminal. It is rather surprsing that million of people are following him blindly.
    Another funniest thing is that, this bloke was invited to be a part of the “World Peace” meeting conducted few years ago.
    This guy couldn’t lead a peaceful life with his wife… He killed her… But he is a part of “World Peace” meeting…. ROTFL. How the fk is he eligible to be a part of that meet… huh…

    10. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on December 6th, 2008

    With reference to 6 and 7, I have gone through the sites.

    Perhaps, except the following, there is no specific reference:

    *****************
    84. peveve Says:
    Posted on April 17th, 2008

    A long time agao there was a write-up in Kumudam that Jaggi’s wife had registered a complaint against him, I can’t recollect the finer details but somehow recollect that Jaggi had similar tastes like MK in matters of the female sex
    *****************************

    Perhaps, “peveve” could give.

    Vedaprakash has already given the details of case registered based on Indian Express dated October 12, 1997 as mentioned above.

  2. N. Nachiappan Says:

    Karunanidhi’s selective atheism has been recognized by the people and he cannot fool them hereafter.

    His anti-Hindu atheism has been redundant, after his pro-Islamic and pro-Christian postures and stands.

    He is an unfit leader to rule secular state, as he has been a real flop in many fronts.

    This statement is not made out of any bias or prejudice, but a caeful observance of many elders since early 1960s to 2009s.

    AS the opposition in Tamilnadu has not been strong enough to counter his ill-ful propaganda and misrule, he has been surviving with all odds in his life, even at 87!

  3. vedaprakash Says:

    One “Kaveri mainthan” has simply taken the Indian Express noting without mentioning the source here:

    http://vimarisanam.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/திரு-ஜக்கி-வாசுதேவ்-அவர்-2/#comment-37

    An therefore, I have responded there as follows:

    [see below]

  4. vedaprakash Says:

    vedaprakash // பெப்ரவரி 14, 2010 இல் 1:06 மு.பகல் | பதில்

    முன்பு, ஆங்கிலத்தில், விவரமாக இப்பிரச்சினையை பற்றி எழுதியுள்ளேன். விருப்பமிருந்தால் இங்கு படியுங்கள். இன்னும் பல விவகரங்கள் உள்ளன.

    http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2007/11/13/karunanidhi-jaggi-vasudev-and-sankaracharya-a-comparitive-study-of-contemporary-events-in-indian-secular-context/

  5. vedaprakash Says:

    vedaprakash // பெப்ரவரி 14, 2010 இல் 1:10 மு.பகல் | பதில்

    இதை ஏன் குறிப்பிடுகின்றேன் என்றால், முதன்முதலாக நான் தான் அந்த Indian Express விஷயத்தை டைப் செய்து வெளியிட்டேன். ஏனெனில் என்னிடம் Newspaper cuttings உள்ளன. You cannot get it anywhere in the net, but from my posting!

  6. vedaprakash Says:

    vedaprakash // பெப்ரவரி 14, 2010 இல் 1:17 மு.பகல் | பதில்

    As we become old, some times, I am not able to remember immediately.

    Ao now, a google search shows that the very same article is there here in wordpress.com also.

    The problem with Indian researchers, writers and others is that they do not acknowledge the source. They simply copy, appropriate and go on talking and writing.

    The findings, valuable material etc., possessed by some persons, because of their efforts, interest and commitment would be simply appropriated by others and get laurels also many times.

    Karunanidhi, Jaggi Vasudev and Sankaracharya – A Comparitive Study of contemporary events in Indian Secular context

    By vedaprakash

    http://indiainteracts.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/karunanidhi-jaggi-vasudev-and-sankaracharya-a-comparitive-study-of-contemporary-events-in-indian-secular-context/

  7. Zaysen Says:

    All of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev’s Lies, hypocrisy, manipulation has been posted at my blog http://zaysen.blogspot.com

    Decide Yourself before venturing for Isha Yoga.
    Zaysen

  8. somasundaram Says:

    Are you supporting brahmins and brahminism?. Sankaracharya committed sucicidal mistake in claiming we, the humans, have come from God, by advocating advaita principles. How can a human being who is full of defects and imperfections is part of God, a perfect (Puranam) being? If anything comes from God, the perfect being, that should also be perfect being. But, man is not perfect and how can you justify that man is brahmam or Godly. Sankaracharya having done this great disservice to Hindu Dharma can’t be called a jagat guru. Brahmins are responsible for the present dire state of Hinduism for they have behaved all these years as super beings and others are subordinate to them. I think you people will recognise brahmins as Jagat gurus and not others.

    • vedaprakash Says:

      My concern has been about the Hindu unity, as many factors work against it.

      In Mahabharat, many accuse Krishna for many wrongs, but at what level we can question Krishna now?

      In the political context, how a Hindu Sanyasi is targeted, attacked and maligned is debated, and therefore, the question of caste there does not arise. However, politicians play tricks exactly on caste lines, though, a sanyasi has no caste!

    • visiting Says:

      “Somasundaram” wrote: “How can a human being who is full of defects and imperfections is part of God, a perfect (Puranam) being? But, man is not perfect and how can you justify that man is brahmam or Godly.”

      Those are christian statements. The supposition is entirely christian: that humans are innately defective, owing to the absurd christian notion called “sin”.

      Somasundaram is a cryptochristian. There is no disguising that.
      He merely left out the word “sin”, but has regurgitated the entire theology surrounding it.

      In contrast, a Hindu would never claim that humans are defective as a rule: Hindus have always affirmed that all creatures carry divinity within them, and that allowing it to express itself to the fullest matches the process of coming closer to the Divine.

  9. somasundaram Says:

    For some, it is hard to digest if someone other than a brahmin is called a jagat guru or saviour of Hinduism. I accuse brahmins for their strangle-hold on Hinduism which is the cause of dishormony in Hindu society. Anyway, Hindu Dharma does not depend on any one sect or individual to survive.

    • vedaprakash Says:

      Kindly note, the moment a person becomes a Sanyasi, he does not have any caste identity. Yet, you harp upon such identity, then definitely “Sanyasam” has to be debated!

  10. anirudh Says:

    complaining abt a person without any proof simply seems ridiculous vidyaprakash ji,you cant blame a person saying he s a fraud who is trying to do many gud things unlike some fake modern spiritualists,JAGGI VASUDEV realy a true spiritualists

    • vedaprakash Says:

      Kindly read my posting again in the context.

      Legally, if all charge-sheeted Sanyasis, fathers, Imams etc., are to be treated, let them dealt with accordingly, because, it is said that before law, everybody is equal.

      But, in India, an Imam is dealt with differently; Bishops, pastors and priests of different Christian denominations are treated differently; of course, the secularism has corrupted the judiciary also, as could be seen from the various judgments.

      It is good that all recognize the difference between the religiosity and spirituality.

  11. anirudh Says:

    complaining abt a person without any proof simply seems ridiculous vedaprakash ji,you cant blame a person saying he s a fraud who is trying to do many gud things unlike some fake modern spiritualists,JAGGI VASUDEV realy a true spiritualists

  12. somasundaram Says:

    Why do, those who accuse Jaggi of being a fraud not reply to my postings?. These so called protectors of Hindu faith are perverted and biased. If at all Hindu dharma at its nadir point, it is because of these scoundrels. They won’t allow non–brahmins to occupy pre-eminent positions in Hindu religious set-up. That is why, they accuse Jaggi, a non-brahmin, as a fraud based on wild and unsubstantiated allegations. Jaggi has been openly challenging the Christians in their own land and advocating our Inidan ethos as the only way out for human emancipation. Instead of supporting him these scoundrels are indulging in mudslinging. They deserve the strongest condemnation for their disservice to Hindu Dharma.

  13. somasundaram Says:

    Why do, those who accuse Jaggi of being a fraud not reply to my postings?. These so called protectors of Hindu faith are perverted and biased. If at all Hindu dharma is at its nadir point, it is because of these scoundrels. They won’t allow non–brahmins to occupy pre-eminent positions in Hindu religious set-up. That is why, they accuse Jaggi, a non-brahmin, as a fraud based on wild and unsubstantiated allegations. Jaggi has been openly challenging the Christians in their own land and advocating our Indian ethos as the only way out for human emancipation. Instead of supporting him these scoundrels are indulging in mudslinging. They deserve the strongest condemnation for their disservice to Hindu Dharma.

  14. visiting Says:

    The cryptochristian “Somasundaram” further lied: “I think you people will recognise brahmins as Jagat gurus and not others.”

    There are Vedic Hindu Rishis whose backgrounds were from various Hindu communities. But here’s a recent example on who the real casteists are:

    – It was *christians* who butchered Swami Lakshmananda Saraswati in 2008 (www.orissadiary.com/ShowOriyaColumn.asp?id=8012, http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200810051766.htm), after christians had earlier made about 8 or so prior attempts on his life (in 2007, a christian mob brutalised him in such a manner he was hospitalised). This Swami’s background, by the way, was apparently a Hindu of a Harijan community: http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=7137&SKIN=B.

    – And it is *Hindus* who revered that genuine Swami. Swami Lakshmananda upheld Hindu religion, as opposed to fake ‘Swamis’ who invent new religions and who deny Hindu Gods, yet will still use those very Hindu Gods and their sacred forms and inculturate on Hindu practices in order to gain converts from the Hindu fold.

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