Karunanidhi way of Meddling with Chronology and History – I

Karunanidhi way of Meddling with Chronology and History


Traditional names of Tamil calendar knocked off[1]: All official communications will henceforth avoid the 60 names given to the Tamil years. Instead, they will merely give the year in terms of ‘Thiruvalluvar era’. The order follows another controversial step that the government had taken recently when it changed the Tamil New Year from the first day of the month of Chithirai (mid-April) to the first day of Thai, also celebrated as Pongal, the Tamil harvest festival (mid-January). A government order issued early this month by the Personnel and Administrative Reforms Department has instructed all departments, including collectors and district judges, not to mention the present Tamil year Sarvajit in government orders, official letters, communications, and other publications. And in future, all departments have been told not to mention the 60-years in the Tamil calendar, from Prabava to Akshaya at any time in future. Only the Tamil month, date and Thiruvalluvar year should be mentioned alongside the Christian year, the order says. The 60-year cycle, in which each year has a name, is sequenced in the traditional Tamil almanac (panchangam). Interestingly, the names of the years in the Tamil calendar are in Sanskrit. And this is what seems to have irked Dravidian patriarch and chief minister M Karunanidhi. “Is it rational to take refuge in the age old panchangam?” Karunanidhi had asked in a recent poem when there was a debate among Tamils on the rationale behind shifting of Tamil New Year. Enquiry with Tamil scholars reveal that the Tamil months and days find reference in Tholkappiam and Sangam literature but the names of 60-years have no reference in Tamil texts anywhere. “The non-Tamil names of the years are not found in the same sequence in any of the North Indian calendars,’’ say officials in Tamil Development Department. Besides, the confusion over the occurrence of an event in a given year, say, Sarvajit, cannot be avoided as there would be more than one Sarvajit years in a century, officials point out. By numbering every year under the Thiruvalluvar era, like the Christian era, it will be easy to relate to a particular year without any confusion, officials said, explaining the rationale behind the order. For instance, this year is Thiruvalluvar year 2039. The era has been named after the ancient saint-poet and author of the Thirukkural. However, the Dravidian leader is clear that this is not the place for Aryans. In the same poem, he had questioned the validity of giving such names for the years. “I am not against those who want to uphold Aryan values, but I will not allow anyone to stand in the way of my objective of giving importance to the kural-based Tamil era,” he said. Thus, it is imperative to analyse the issue and find out the truth.

Karunanidhi carries on the British legacy: Many times, researchers, social-analysts, political-forecasters, religious-prophets assert that enemies need not come from outside, but they are created within themselves or in a particular society or nation by others, so that they carry out and fulfil their expected or anticipated acts. Thus, the British sowed the seeds of unhistorical hypotheses and theories of Aryans and Dravidians and other blabbering[2]. In Indian historical tradition, there had never been such mention about two different races existing and fighting with each other always in the ancient Bharat. In fact, the Sangam literature mention about “Aryans”, but no whisper about “Dravidians”.  In fact, such mentioned “Aryans” were never considered or treated as coming from outside Bharat, but people of part of Bharat. Though historians have accepted that there were neither Aryans nor Dravidians and the AIT is a myth[3], the only creed on the earth believes, nurtures and carries it have been the Dravidian groups of all sorts. They still believe in race, racism, racialism, blood and other pseudo-scientific and discarded race hypotheses and theories[4]. Ironically, though they carry on and survive on such idiotic, unhistorical and anti-human belief and doctrines and dogmas, the westerners support them directly and indirectly[5]. Karunanidhi and others of the Black Paryivar have been always talking, discussing and writing only in terms of racist language inciting hatred among the people.

Recently, the acts of Karunanidhgi reveal a single point agenda – oppose everything that is Hindu. It is very open, perhaps, as his utterances and actions prove. Starting with his blasphemous attack on Rama, his anti-Hindu tirade has increased with aggressive geometrical progression and astronomical proportions. The recent one being interfering with the celebration of Tamil New Year’s Day by forcing temples not to follow the Pancangam and all. This is blatant interference of the government with the practice of crores of believers of the country and he has no locus standi to do that. As the British tried to destroy or suppress the Kali Era, Karunanidhi (b.1924) is trying to bury the glorious past of the Tamils under the guise of opposing Sanskrit and Hindu calendar, which is totally incorrect. In fact, people have forgotten his own appreciation of such 60-year cycle incorporating in his poem (for details see below). The DK and other Black Parivar has been evidently pressurising him to do such nonsensical acts of meddling with history and chronology of the Tamils. It is evident that the advisers or the propounders that Tamil literature had no reference to sixty-year cycle have no basic knowledge of Indian Tamil tradition, astronomy and history as explained below.

Sowiyanukkup Piragu Intha Sadharanan: C. N. Annadurai (1909-1969) had a name “Sowmiyan”. As he died in 1969, he came to power and at that time, he composed a song, “Sowiyanukkup Piragu Intha Sadharanan” came for ruling! At that time, the Government AIR / DD used to broadcast the New Year poem recital by VIPs and others. Karunanidhi composed a poem and recited in his usual way. Annadurai had a pen name “Sowmiyan”. Ironically or incidentally, he died in the year “Sowmiya”! If you go through the list of 60 years, the year Sowmiya precedes Sadharana. When Annadurai died in the Sowmiya Andu (1969-70), Karunanidhi became CM in the Sadharana Andu (1970-71). Making it figuratively, he composed the lines that, “Sowiyanukkup Piragu Intha Sadharanan” came to rule! What happened to his ideology at that time? He did not think about Tiruvalluvar Andu at that time, but gleefully singing song as mentioned. How is that the years which were acceptable to him 38 years back became suddenly anathema? As a CM also, he did not bother to remove such names and not to use such 60 years – starting with Prabhava and ending with Akshaya! Is it not shame to call himself so as Sadharanan and his predecessor-mentor as Sowmiyan? Thus, it is evident that something happened to him or controlling him to act like this.

Can any Era be introduced just like that? In the history of humankind, era is introduced, because of the good acts of a person on his capacity as a master, teacher, ruler, king, empire and so on, that too, buy the beloved people. Era has not been just age of reason, epoch of achievement, period of conquests or time of wisdom, but it is human past recorded in the memory and passed on to the progeny for practice. It is connected with chronology of people to be recorded for history. Chronology and history are connected, though the methods may differ in the respective fields because of human bias. Thus, history can be meddled with differing historiographical methods, but chronology cannot be meddled, even if meddled, such meddling would get exposed immediately. Chronology is a combination of method applied using mathematics, astronomy, cosmology and geology. At one side, it is the study of time, time measurement and time recording techniques, but at the other side, the time recording of humanity, human activity and human achievements also.

The cognition and calculation of day and night, observed solar and lunar effects and movements, vernal equinoxes, periodic rotation of planets, asterism, zodiac, and calendar – all are involved in it. Man has observed such events and recorded with diligence over period of time and therefore, the past astronomical recordings cannot be brushed aside, unless, astronomically and scientifically something is proved wrong in such past observations and recordings. In fact, such exercise was carried out then and there, as could be seen from the criticism of methods of one astronomer by another. The correction carried on has been an accepted standard, it such corrective methodology is aimed at perfection of time recording. So if any era is introduced, the introducer takes all factors into consideration. It is not just like insertion of one month each in ten-month calendar making twelve-month calendar.

Just look at the names of the months now we follow: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December. Scholars have pointed out September, October, November, and December clearly point to – seventh month (sapta = seven), eighth month (octa = eight), ninth month (nava = nine), tenth month (dasa = ten). The westerners claim that the months July and August have been the intruders because of Julius Caesar[8] and August Caesar[9]. So an intelligent student can ask what happened to the first to sixth months? Why their names were changed? Could they be known as Ekamber, Dwiamber, Triamber, Caturambar, Panchamber, Hastamber?[10] Just by introducing two months, they cannot adjust the calendar. Then, we are explained that not only, they inserted two more months in the ten-month calendar, but to show off their superiority, they made their months with maximum days i.e, 31 days! If Julius Caesar could have done it, why not by August Caesar? And how it was done? Just by grabbing days from other months[11]. It appears so wonderful, so astronomical and so scientific. Thus, we follow the wonderful calendar throughout the world, as forced by the colonial rulers.

Chronology – Its relation to Astronomy and Astrology: It is said that the system of reckoning time and hence that of historical events has been a modern concept, but it is modern even among the westerners. Different westerners or Europeans were using different systems of time reckoning in their respective countries based on the prevalent culture, tradition and heritage. Suddenly, they were stunned to receive astronomical tables received from

Gregorian calendar: Pope Gregory XIII (1572-1585), who decreed in 1582 a calendar with fasts and feasts to be adopted by the Roman Catholics, heavily depended on the Indian astronomical tables. However, it (the Catholic calendar) contained many inaccuracies: 1.      The year 1582 had only 355 days.2.      The concept of leap year. 1600 was made leap year, but not 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200, 2300 and so on.3.      There was no leap year between 1896 and 1904, and 1900 was not considered as a leap year.4.      Ten days were dropped and 5th October 1582 was called 15th October.5.      The error accumulation is one day in about 3,320 years.

Though, the Greek Church and Protestant nations did not recognize and follow it, in 1752,
England fall in line by calling 3rd September as 14th! The year was made commence on January 1st instead of March 25th! In fact, the chronologization of events based on the new calendar has created many problems. They started mentioning the dates followed by O.S (Old System) and N.S (New System). For example, the date of birth of Newton himself was subjected to dispute – Dec.25, 1642 O.S or January 4, 1643 N.S!

Here, the Church played a crucial role in imposing Gregorian Calendar (1582) on the Christian
States to be followed for political and civil purposes. Then came James Ussher (1581-1656), the famous Christian chronologer. He went to England in 1640 and took part in the ecclesiastical questions raised in the Long Parliament[14]. He was the first to attempt the Biblical chronology and declared that the God, Jehovah created the Universe and the world on October 23, 4004 BCE! All the Church and other historians faithfully followed his works Britannicarum Ecclesiarum Antiquitates (1639) and The Annals of the World (1658). Accordingly, almanacs, annals erc., were compiled with the new Calendar. The Christian scholars, historians or scientists had strong belief that the Ussher’s system should be adhered strictly. The essential of the biblical version of creation and the world’s history was not seriously questioned during the 18th century[15]. An almanac is a year book of dates and tables, giving a calendar of days and months, ecclesiastical fasts and feasts, the age of the moon, the tides, and the exact time of sun’s rising and setting etc. The name almanac is derived from al-manah in Arabic, as the Europeans obtained such tables from the Arabs, but the Arabs, in fact got them from Indians.  Al manah means the sundial, because, all the measurements of time were made principally associated with the Sun. This is nothing but panchangam used in India since time immemorial (the extant work Vedanga Jyotisa of Lagada c.1400 BCE[16]). According to the claim of westerners, Regiomontanus was the fist-published almanac in Latin in 1475. When this has been the history of Panchangam, Karunanidhi criticizes it with his poetry!

How Karunanidhi did it? Does Karunanidhi know any astronomy? Does he have any committee of astronomers or such experts? How then, he simply could have done away with the “sixty year” cycle reckoning of years? As fanatic Dravidians do not like Sanskrit named months, just like that they can be removed? But, could they change the past chronology and the history connected with it? He is considered as an authority in Tamil literature. So at least, he could have gone into the Sangam literature to find out what era, they followed, what calendar, zodiac or year-cycle followed etc., instead of simply changing the starting of Tamil year or discarding the sixty-cycle notation.

Did the People of Tamizhagam Followed a Jupiter Cycle? The discussion about the Zodiac based on Inthimai or Inthinai Zodiac points to a possibility that the people of Tamizhagam might have followed a Jupiter cycle for the calculation and recording time and events[17]. Here, taking a cue from the Sangam literature, the symbolism used, charts were prepared with the Inthinai mentioned. The literary references are converted into numbers. Thus, time of a day is divided into five equal parts = 24 / 5 = 4.8 hours, a year is divided into five parts = 12 / 5 = 2.4 months per division and thus, the zodiac is divided into 5 parts, thus 360 / 5 = 720. 1.      The number 72 appears to be significant in the context. 2.      For the precession of the equinoxes to cover up one degree in the zodiac, Jupiter takes 72 years approximately. 3.      It has 12 satellites. 4.      There are two Jupiter cycles one consisting of 60 years and another 12 years. The sixty year cycle is used throughout
India since the days of Vedic period (Vedanta Jyotisha dated to c.1400 BCE). 5.      This is the time taken by Jupiter in passing one sign of zodiac and also known as Jovian year.

Surya Siddhanta[18], the ancient astronomical work extant defines and the method of calculation of Jupiter cycle:“Multiply by 12 the past Jupiter revolutions of Jupiter, add the signs of the current revolution, add and divide by sixty; the remainder marks the year of Jupiter’s cycle, counting from Vijaya [Surya Siddhanta – I.55].In Vaishaka etc., a conjunction (yoga) in the dark half-month (krishna), on the 15th lunar day (thithi), determines in like manner the years Karttika etc., of Jupiter, from his helical setting (asta) and rising (udaya) [Surya Siddhanta – XIV.17]”.The first verse clearly points to the existence of sixty year cycle that is still followed throughout India. The second quoted verse points to the Skanda Shasthi festival / birth of Viskhaka / Karttikeya. Then what is the relation between the 60 year cycle and 12 year cycle? Mathematically, it is 60 / 12 = 5.

If in any year, the helical setting of Jupiter takes place in the month Vaishaka, then the asterism with which the moon is found to be in the conjunction at the end of that month, which will be, of course, the asterism of the year, which is Krittika. Thus, here, the relation between Vaishaka and Karttika is explained. Therefore, the connecting factor of these two months and as well as stars is Muruga and his worship.

Astronomically, the connecting factor of two Jupiter cycle is 5 and it is Inthinai-Zodiac[19]. Therefore, the poet or poets who had been familiar with the three important aspects – Surya Siddhanta / Vedic Astronomy, myth of Vaishaka and Karttika and Inthinai-Zodiac and of course Tamil (perhaps Sanskrit too) could have only conceived such Zodiac and presented such astronomical myth through his / their poetics and poetry. And this historical process could have taken place only about the period in which the Tamizhagam was reigning supreme in all aspects. The following is a note from the D.  C. Sircar book[20].

Jupiter Cycle of sixtry years[21]: The duration of Jupiter’s stay in a particular zodiacal sign is called Jupiter’s year which lasts for 361 days, 2 ghatikas or dandas and 3 palas. This year is thus shorter than the solar year by 4 days, 13 ghatikas or dandas and 26 palas. That is why one Jupiter’s year becomes suppressed in 85 solar years.

There is a name for each one of the 60 years of Jupiter’s cycle, and the years are mentioned by their names. But the 60 names are counted in North and
South India in two different orders.

The sixty years of Jupiter’s cycle are as follows:

1.      Prabhava2.      Vibhava3.      Sukla4.      Pramoda

5.      Prajapati

6.      Angiras

7.      Srimukha

8.      Bhava9.      Yuvan

10.  Dhatr

11.  Isvara

12.  Bahudhanya

13.  Pramathin

14.  Vikrama

15.  Vrsa

16.  Citrabhanu

17.  Subhanu

18.  Tarana

19.  Parthiva

20.  Vyaya

21.  Sarvajit22.  Sarvadharani23.  Virodhin24.  Vikrit

25.  Khara

26.  Nandana

27.  Vijaya

28.  Jaya

29.  Manmatha

30.  Durmukha

31.  Hemalamba

32.  Vilambin

33.  Vikarin

34.  Sarvarin

35.  Plava

36.  Subhakri

37.  Sobhana

38.  Krodhin

39.  Visvasu

40.  Prabhava

41.  Plavanga42.  Kilaka43.  Saumya44.  Sadharana

45.  Virodhakri

t46.  Paridhavin

47.  Pramadin

48.  Ananda

49.  Raksasa

50.  Nala / Anala

51.  Pingala

52.  Kalayukta

53.  Siddharthin

54.  Raudra

55.  Durmati

56.  Dundhubhi

57.  Rudhirodgarin

58.  Raktaksa

59.  Krodhana

60.  Ksaya / Aksaya

Varahamihira applies the name Vijaya (No.27) to the first year of the Kaliyuga era while later writers like the author of the Jyotisatattva gives it as Prabhava (No. 1).in North India, Jupiter’s year is theoretically begins from the planet’s entry into a particular zodiacal sign, though in actual practice Caitrasudi 1 is regarded as its first day.

According to Varahamihira[22], to find out the name of a particular Saka year after the North Indian system, one has to multiply the number expired Saka year by 11 and the product again by 4;  to the product 8589 has to be added, and the sum has to be divided by 3750; the quotient has then to be added to the number of the Saka year and the product has to be divided again by 60. The remainder thus received would be the number of the expired year in the cycle beginning with Prabhava[23].

In South India, Jupiter’s year is regarded as the same as the solar year. The first year of the Kali era is Pramathin (No. 13), and the year is taken to begin with from Caitra-sudi 1.

The rule for finding out the name of a particular Saka year according to Zsouth Indian cycle of Jupiter is as follows: 12 has to be added to the number of the expired Saka year; the sum has to be divided by 60; the remainder would be the number of the current year of the cycle beginning from Prabhava. Another rule is as follows: 12 has to be added to the number of the expired Kali year; then the sum has to be divided by 60 and the remainder would be the number of the year of the cycle beginning with Prabhava[24].

The names of the years according to Jupiter’s 60-year cycle are only occasionally met with the records of North India. But they are very popular in the South India even today. It was formerly believed that the earliest epigraph mentioning such a name is the Mahakuta pillar inscription of Calukya Mangalesa (597-610 CE) of Badami, dated in the year Siddharth (Sidharthin)[25]. But frecently the name of the cyclic year Vijaya has been traced in two Nagarjunakonda inscriptions, one of the time of the Iksvaku king Virapurusadatta (second half of the third century CE) and another of his son Ehuvala Santamula (close of the 3rd and early part of the 4th century)[26]. Vijaya was originally the first year of the Cycle.

Thus, it is clear that the 60-cycle year with their names have been so popular among the
South India than North India. As the ancient Tamils must have been using such cycle in consistent with the Inthinai Zodiac, such tradition cannot be suppressed because of the present misguided fanaticism and chauvinism. Actually, under vthe guise of promoting Tamil, the actual Tamil culture is destroyed, that too, meddling with the historical evidences, which cannot be allowed. Ironically, the historians, who very often make hue and cry, keep quiet for Karu’s meddling with chronology. Romila Thapar, who came to defend Karu by writing two articles one in “The Hindu” and another EPW keeps quiet.

How can a ruler go against the people? Karnanidhi has been given mandate for all the people of Tamilnadu and he cannot go against the tradition, culture, heritage and civilization of Tamilnadu, India. If Karunanidhi wants that he wants to be a Dravidian fascist, Tamil fanatic, linguistic chauvinist, blatant racist, rabid communalist etc., that is entirely different from the person ruling TN as CM. But, very often, he forgets this and behaves like Karunanidhi instead of CM of TN. First he ordered that Tamil new year’s day should not be celebrated on April 14th in the sense that Panchangam should not be read in the temples on that day. Now, he passes another order that the sixty-year notation would be discarded and such named-years should not be used in the government documents etc. This is Hitlerism aided and abetted by his group of Goebbelism. Definitely, he has exceeded the Constitutional, legal and democratic limits.

The Calendar Reform Committee under Government of India appointed in November 1952 had gone into the details of prevalent divergences and introduced a national calendar[27] wef March 22, 1957.  Therefore, the introduction of Tiruvalluvar Andu may serve the sentiments of the Tamil chauvinists, but it has no historical or astronomical basis. None could produce any historical document, epigraph or any other evidence to this effect. Mere sentiments are alone not enough to introduce an era or epoch. No doubt, every one respects the Great Tamil Poet Tiruvalluvar, but, with him such controversy need not be carried on. Therefore, misusing the official power, that too, with anti-Hindu, anti-national ideology, they cannot bugle with everything.



[1] B. Arvind Kumar, Traditional names of Tamil calendar knocked off, Times of India, April 28, 2008, Chennai edition, p.5.

[2] Now there have been a lot of source materials available and there is no doubt about the British who gave a last kick to Indians, before giving the so-called Independence.Max Mueller has long back withdrew his theory.Even Ambedkar in his books has refuted the Aryan-Dravidian theories.Leon Poliakov, The Aryan myth, Chapter.9, The Quest for the new Adam, London, 1974. The author gives the background of the creation of “Aryan myth” and implications.

[3] Even Romila Thapar has confessed and other Marxists in their own way to save their ideology.

[4] The racist views, speeches and writings of the Dravidian ideologists, protagonists and politicians even today, as is revealed through print and electronic media has been a standing evidence but glaring contradiction in the democratic and secular polity of India.

[5] Take the American and European researchers, they unwittingly or wittingly accommodate and encourage their racist, racialist, communalist views and perhaps enjoy, as they are used to beat the Indians themselves again through their methodology.

Eugene Irshchick, Politics and social cionflicts in South Asia: The non-Brahmin movement and Tamil separatism, 1916-1929, University of California Press, Berkeley and Los Angeles, 1969.

Marguerite Ross Barenett, The Politics of Cultural Nationalism: The DMK in Tamilnadu, South India, unpublished Ph.D dissertation, University of Chicago, 1972.

[6] Thousands of articles are available in Epigraphica Indica, Journal of Royal Asiatic Research, Indian Antiquary, Asiatic Researches etc.

B. L. Van der Warden, The Conjunction of 3102 B.C, Centarus, 1980, Vol.24, pp.117-131.

Kailash Chandra Varma, The Kali Era and Ignored Glimpses of Indian Antiquity, ABORI, Vol.LVII ” LVIII (Diamond Jubile), 1977-78, pp.1025-1047.

J. F. Fleet, The Kaliyuga Era of 3102 B.C, JRAS, pp.479-496; 675-698.

K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, Kali Era – The Lively Controversy Among the Western Scholars, Aryabhateeya’99, Thiruvananthapuram, 1999, p.16.

……………………….., Historicity, Astronomy and Kaliyuga, The proceedings of a seminar held at Chennai in October 2002 on Ancient History of India through Vedic Astronomy, ISIAC, Chennai, 2003, pp.44-57.

………………………..,Kali Era as Gleaned from the Literary and Epigraphical Evidences, Ibid, pp.58-70.

[7] B. Arvind Kumar, Traditional names of Tamil calendar knocked off, Times of India, April 28, 2008, Chennai edition, p.5.

Dinamalar, Implementation of Tiruvalluvar Year and no more “Sarvadhari, April 28, 2008, Chennai edition, p.5.

[8] He is credited with introduction of one calendar in 45 BCE.Keith Gordon Irwin, The Circle of Days: Measurement of Time, A Ladder Publication, 1965, USA, pp.56-58.

[9] Ibid, pp.58-62.

[10] The ten-month year had Martius, Aprilis, Marius, Iunius, Quintilis (five), Sextilis (six), September, October, November and December.

[11] Thus, both months July and August have 31 days!

[12] John Playfair, Some Remarks on the Astronomy of Brahmins, in  Edinburgh Review, U. K, 1789. He has discussed about the astronomical tables taken away from India and Siam respectively by the Jesuit missionaries to Europe, their study by the European scientists and astronomers pointing to an epoch starting with 3102 BCE, the Kaliuyuga.

[13] K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, European Scientists: Indian Chronology and Historiography, XXth Session of South Indian History Congress held at Tiruvananthapuram from Feb.25-27, 2002.

……………………………………….., The Interest of European Scientists  in Indian Chronology and Historiography, UGC Seminar on Situating Historical Writings in Post-Independence India (Abstracts volume), held at Bharathidasan University on March 23 ” 23, 2002, Tiruchirappalli, pp.16-17.

………………………………….….., The Interest of European Scientists in Indian Calendar and Chronology, in Indian Calendar and Chronology (Seminar papers) held at Central Mining Research Institute, Dhanbad on August 9 ” 10, 2003, pp.1-20.

[14] The so-called Long Parliament discussed so many issues particularly, the eccelestical issues connected with science, astronomy etc.

[15] R. N. Stromberg, Religious Liberalism in Eighteenth-Century England, Oxford, 1954, pp.26-27.

[16] Vedanga Jyotisha authored by Laghadha has been the oldest astronomical extant text dated to c.1450 BCE with the internal evidences, which specifically talks about the 60-year cycle followed.Laghadha, Vedanga Jyotisha, Text with English translation published by the Indian
National Science Academy, New Delhi.

[17] K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, Zodiac and Murugan Worship, in ‘The Antiquity of Worship of Skanda-Karttikeya-Subramanya’, Bharatiya Itihasa Sankalana Samiti, Chennai, 2001.………………………………………., The Zodiac of the Tamils or the Zodiac Depicted in the Sangam Literature or Inthinai Zodiac of the ancient Tamils, a paper presented during the Tamilnadu History congress, Poondi College, Thanjavur, October 10-12, 2003.…………………………………….., The Worship of Murukan and the Zodiac and Mrukan, a paper presented at the Skanda-Muruga International Conference held at Malaysia, November 3-5, 2003.

[18] Surya Siddhanta has been the oldest Indian astronomical work dealing with many astronomical concepts, planetary theories, formulae, rules etc., ahead of others. Thus, the westerners tried to meddle with its dating. In short, they always try to prove that the Indians derived or borrowed or rather copied every thing from the Greeks, if not from the Babylonians, Egyptians and others.

[19] K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, Iraiyanar Agapporul Chronology – myth or Reality, a paper presented during the Tamilnadu History Congress, October 13-14, 2001, held at Chennai.

[20] D. C. Sircar, Indian Epigraphy, Motilal Banarasidas, New Delhi, 1996, pp.267-269.

[21]Ojha, Bharatiya Pracin Lipimala, pp.188-189.

[22] Brahatsamhita, VIII, 20.

[23] Surya Siddhanta – I.55 and Surya Siddhanta – XIV.17, as mentioned and discussed above. Thus, it is evident that Varaha Mihira was following the Surya Siddhanta. Incidentally, this proves the dating of Surya Siddhanta in later period is wrong.

[24] Same as above sl. No. 22.

[25] Indian Antiquary, Vol.XIX, p.18.

[26] Epigraphica Indica, XXXV, p.1 ff.

[27] S. K. Chatterjee, Indian Calendric System, Publications Divisions, Government of
India, New Delhi, 1998 (Saka 1920)

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31 Responses to “Karunanidhi way of Meddling with Chronology and History – I”

  1. vedaprakash Says:

    1. yakshini Says:
    Posted on April 29th, 2008

    Well-said, Vedam.

    Even die-hard Communist nation of China respects its ancestry and does not pilferage the traditions. Even the latest airport built in Beijing is in the shape of a dragon and why, even the Olympics start on 8.8.08 (8 is considered auspicious by Chinese !). The so-called Communists have given up on Communism and giving importance to Capitalism and Religion & Tradition. Every building built there is vetted by a Feng-shui expert (equivalent of Vasthu in India), while such a practice is demeaned in India.
    Vetkakedu !!
    Rogues like MK WILL be thrown out and all such orders passed by him WILL be by-passed !
    Why cannot he be charged with legal proceedings ?
    What is holding back in removing this eccentric & madcap ?

  2. vedaprakash Says:

    2. yakshini Says:
    Posted on April 29th, 2008

    Some lessons for MK –

    செயற்கரிய செய்வார் பெரியர் சிறியர்
    செயற்கரிய செய்கலா தார்.

    அறத்தினூஉங்கு ஆக்கமும் இல்லை அதனை
    மறத்தலின் ஊங்கில்லை கேடு.

    பெண்ணின் பெருந்தக்க யாவுள கற்பென்னும்
    திண்மைஉண் டாகப் பெறின்.

    தக்கார் தகவிலர் என்பது அவரவர்
    எச்சத்தாற் காணப்ப படும்.

    கெடுவல்யான் என்பது அறிகதன் நெஞ்சம்
    நடுவொரீஇ அல்ல செயின்.

    அடக்கம் அமரருள் உய்க்கும் அடங்காமை
    ஆரிருள் உய்த்து விடும்.

    ஒன்றானுந் தீச்சொல் பொருட்பயன் உண்டாயின்
    நன்றாகா தாகி விடும்.

    நன்றிக்கு வித்தாகும் நல்லொழுக்கம் தீயொழுக்கம்
    என்றும் இடும்பை தரும்.

    ஒழுக்க முடையவர்க்கு ஒல்லாவே தீய
    வழுக்கியும் வாயாற் சொலல்.

    உலகத்தோடு ஒட்ட ஒழுகல் பலகற்றும்
    கல்லார் அறிவிலா தார்.

    பயனில் சொல் பராட்டு வானை மகன்எனல்
    மக்கட் பதடி யெனல்.

    நயனில சொல்லினுஞ் சொல்லுக சான்றோர்
    பயனில சொல்லாமை நன்று.

    சொல்லுக சொல்லிற் பயனுடைய சொல்லற்க
    சொல்லிற் பயனிலாச் சொல்.

    அறிவினுள் எல்லாந் தலையென்ப தீய
    செறுவார்க்கும் செய்யா விடல்.

    மறந்தும் பிறன்கேடு சூழற்க சூழின்
    அறஞ்சூழம் சூழ்ந்தவன் கேடு.

    இலன் என்று தீயவை செய்யற்க செய்யின்
    இலனாகும் மற்றும் பெயர்த்து.

    many more !!

  3. vedaprakash Says:

    3. Sivar Says:
    Posted on April 29th, 2008

    Ouch!! what is frigging article!!
    why are you so bothered about what Karunanidhi is doing to the Tamizh calender? We know our leader very well!! And we love all that is purely ours!!

    Dravidian/Aryan idea is unhistorical?!!! whose viewpoint is this? yours? Wonder where you are from. If you are from north, then it is your own frigging people who belive more in this!! I have seen so many of them… spewing venom and hatred on the south indians… I wonder if they are made of flesh and bone or hatred and hatred alone!

    Sanskrit, the language of barbarians is as worthy as is my shit.. 🙂 I spit on it!

    Rama? That A grade soundrel who bribed vibheeshana to cheat his own brother?
    That bast*rd who had the nose and ears of a girl chopped off?
    That son of a bit*h who beheaded a ‘dalit’ because he recited a ’sacred’ poem?
    that darpuk who dared not fight with vaali hand to hand and instead killed him from behind??
    what a “hero” this ass is!!
    The list will go ad infinitum..

    you call such a f*cking basta*d scoun*rel a god?? dont you yourself feel ashamed of it..?

    will a real god ever condone his sins? I am sure that soun*rel must still be boiling in oil in the hell for his inhumanities and cunning bloodthirst..

  4. vedaprakash Says:

    4. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on April 30th, 2008

    It is clear that the coward has hidden behind “Sivar” and posted this unbecoming entry with filty language without any decency or decomrum

    By being born in India, he should hang himself for such ulglest thoughts running in the minds.

    It is not the question of what ” Karunanidhi is doing to the Tamizh calender?”, but the CM of TN, India meddling with histrory and chronology.

    Yes, we all considered him as ” our leader very well!! And we love all that is purely ours!!”, but, he has changed a lot. He has been against Hindus, Hindu religion and India too. This is not acceptable, that too, when he acts as a CM.

    Do not talk nonsense likev this: “Dravidian/Aryan idea is unhistorical?!!! whose viewpoint is this? yours? Wonder where you are from. If you are from north, then it is your own frigging people who belive more in this!! I have seen so many of them… spewing venom and hatred on the south indians… I wonder if they are made of flesh and bone or hatred and hatred alone!”.

    Read history and come.

    Your culture, mannerism is exposed by your words like this: “Sanskrit, the language of barbarians is as worthy as is my shit.. I spit on it!”.

    Rama? That A grade soundrel who bribed vibheeshana to cheat his own brother?
    That bast*rd who had the nose and ears of a girl chopped off?
    That son of a bit*h who beheaded a ‘dalit’ because he recited a ’sacred’ poem?
    that darpuk who dared not fight with vaali hand to hand and instead killed him from behind??
    what a “hero” this ass is!!
    The list will go ad infinitum..

    you call such a f*cking basta*d scoun*rel a god?? dont you yourself feel ashamed of it..?

    will a real god ever condone his sins? I am sure that soun*rel must still be boiling in oil in the hell for his inhumanities and cunning bloodthirst.. ”

    It is good that you have come out with all filthiness exposing yourself.

    You just created a ID on 29-04-2008 and responded like this.

    Every one can do that.

    But you should respond intellectually, not like this.

    Your mindset has parallels in history – Sahi Imam (who called Mother India “a bitch”), Hussain, Karunanidhi etc., in recent times.

    Aurangazeb, Malikafur,and others in the past.

  5. vedaprakash Says:

    5. Ezhavendan Says:
    Posted on April 30th, 2008

    Yes, this is not correct.

    The person “Sivar” has just intruded to pour filthy without any sense.

    Definitely, it is not Kary, but if Karu behaves like this, he fit to be criticized and condemned.

    Karunanidhi of his stature should not have talked, behaved and written like this as pointed out. But he does again and again.

    Therefore, the criticism is valid.

    Coming to the person “Sivar”, it is better that he is ignored, as he has come for the purpose, that is all.

  6. vedaprakash Says:

    6. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on April 30th, 2008

    The point is that Karunanidhi himself recognized the years of 60-year cycle.

    Thus, the sudden change of following of Tamil New Year’s day and the issuance of GO not to use such 60-year cycle have been beyond his power.

    The so-called, historians, that too, the gang, that was so vigorous and active in the case of Ramar-sethu etc., the group that behaved differently during TNHC in Madras during last December 2007, Romila Thapar as pointed should keep quite.

  7. vedaprakash Says:

    7. nathappan Says:
    Posted on April 30th, 2008

    #3 –
    What a load of garbage !!
    So much of garbage & shit can come from only one place – another garbage and ass of hole !!
    May the Lord forgive the sins of such souls who do not know what they are doing and simply follow the soul of a fool who is already sold for a load of money !!
    MK has already lost the power to rule, by staying away from neutrality, and deserves to be kicked out only !

  8. vedaprakash Says:

    8. yakshini Says:
    Posted on April 30th, 2008

    Continued messages for MK the idiot –

    தன்நெஞ் சறிவது பொய்யற்க பொய்த்தபின்
    தன்நெஞ்சே தன்னைச் சுடும்.

    யாமெய்யாக் கண்டவற்றுள் இல்லை எனைத்தொன்றும்
    வாய்மையின் நல்ல பிற.

    தன்னைத்தான் காக்கின் சினங்காக்க காவாக்கால்
    தன்னையே கொல்லுஞ் சினம்.

    தன்னுயிர்ககு ஏன்னாமை தானறிவான் என்கொலோ
    மன்னுயிர்க்கு இன்னா செயல்.

    அறனிழுக்கா தல்லவை நீக்கி மறனிழுக்கா
    மானம் உடைய தரசு.

    கல்லா தவரும் நனிநல்லர் கற்றார்முன்
    சொல்லா திருக்கப் பெறின்.

    கல்லா ஒருவன் தகைமை தலைப்பெய்து
    சொல்லாடச் சோர்வு படும்.

    அறிவுடையார் ஆவ தறிவார் அறிவிலார்
    அஃதறி கல்லா தவர்.

    இடிப்பாரை இல்லாத ஏமரா மன்னன்
    கெடுப்பா ரிலானுங் கெடும்.

    சிற்றினம் அஞ்சும் பெருமை சிறுமைதான்
    சுற்றமாச் சூழ்ந்து விடும்.

    நல்லினத்தி னூங்குந் துணையில்லை தீயினத்தின்
    அல்லற் படுப்பதூஉம் இல்.

    ஆற்றின் வருந்தா வருத்தம் பலர்நின்று
    போற்றினும் பொத்துப் படும்.

    தேரான் தெளிவும் தெளிந்தான்கண் ஐயுறவும்
    தீரா இடும்பை தரும்.

    மன்னர்க்கு மன்னுதல் செங்கோன்மை அஃதின்றேல்
    மன்னாவாம் மன்னர்க் கொளி.

  9. vedaprakash Says:

    9. Ezhavendan Says:
    Posted on May 1st, 2008

    Let us not worry about such nonsence.

    We have to create an opinion among the common people, as they think these guys are Gods and so on.

    They have been totally misled by their way of talking earlier, now with the media.

    People would have forgotten that Anna fooled everybody calliong himself SPWMIYAN and Karu by SADHARANAN.

    This is what exactly fascism hidden in their uglier minds. It is better that they themselves get exposed with coming out.

  10. vedaprakash Says:

    10. tvvenkatesh Says:
    Posted on May 2nd, 2008

    Let us come to that “Sivar’s” post. Let him be a genuine new blogger or a coward (already here) in disguise. Immaterial! Let us analyse all that he had said, especially about Sri Rama. This analysis will reveal the mindset behind the onslaught on Sri Rama by this Sivar and his elks.

    Quote 1:
    That A grade soundrel who bribed vibheeshana to cheat his own brother?
    Answer: Contextually I will answer this at the last. Let us continue to others

    Quote 2:
    That bast*rd who had the nose and ears of a girl chopped off?
    Answer: Why do they hate Sri Rama and what is wrong in doing this. Let us go back in time when the greatest Joker EVR lived on this earth. He is the one who had a lot of lust on other men’s wives and he was such a paedophile that he married a girl who he considered daughter first. He also asked every women to renounce the marriage under disguise of woman liberation, so that he can enjoy all the women he wanted. But later “married” the girl who he considered as his daughter. Means all other women are to sleep with him and every other men, but his daughter like girl who he married later, should remain only for himself. What a preaching? Taking this scenario, it is no wonder that his elks consider Soorpanagai as a virtuous lady, who eyed another woman’s husband. After he emulated EVR 1000s of years back with reference to Women’s liberation isn’t it? 🙂 So naturally they will be disgrunted at this. Also when a woman comes willingly all these paedophile followers of EVR, could not believe that one man Sri Rama has the “vairagyam” or the stubbornness with which he could reject her, as culturally, these EVR elks are such “jolly parties” that they cannot come to terms with this action of Sri Rama.

    PS: The fact is that Sri Lakshmana cut of the nose and ears as he was so angered at the way Soorpanagai planned to kill Sri Sita, who was considered as his mother by Sri Lakshmana. This fury can be understood only by people who are virtuous and not by the lustrous elks of EVR.

    Quote 3:
    That son of a bit*h who beheaded a ‘dalit’ because he recited a ’sacred’ poem?

    Answer: Remember that only Valmiki Ramayana is the authority as all other versions have some own stories embedded into it. According to Valmiki Ramayana, there is no such reference to this episode and hence this is at best an attempt to ridicule Sri Rama who was literally flawless in his character.

    Quote 4:
    that darpuk who dared not fight with vaali hand to hand and instead killed him from behind??

    The funniest statement made by this torch bearer of bravery, who only knows to trouble the very calm Brahmins and who will never have the guts to question the actual people who commits the atrocities, at present, on the dalits. Vaali was a guy who got some ultimate powers that anyone who will stand before him in a fight will lose half of his power to Vaali. This act at best is the Height of Cowardice. Remember, if Vaali was a True Warrior why would he need to get a boon that half the power of the opponent should come to him. A true warrior will rather take on his opponent without any such conditions. So Vaali is the best coward. Also emboldened by this boon, this coward usurped the wife of his own brother, which according to this EVR elks is a virtuous act (shame on them). Afterall Vaali also emulated his master EVR 1000s of years ago isn’t it? So naturally anyone who kills this guy stands to be hated by these cowards. Naturally if Sri Rama had to stealthily kill this Vaali, he only did what Vaali did to others, by way of stealthily taking away half the power of the opponents. But what I wonder is, when these DK elks repeatedly attack the defenseless Brahmins, justifying the discrimination they did years ago, afterall Sri Rama did the same act with Vaali. Then why they want to find fault with his actions. This is what we call, “Butter in one Eye and Calcium in the other”.

    Spineless cowards. Have no moral rightst to find fault with Sri Rama who is the epitome of a Ideal person.

    Coming back to my QUOTE 1, on the Vibheeshana episode, the fact is that, Vibheeshana, even before he met Sri Rama, pleaded with Ravana, another wife usurper (A virtuous man in the dictionary of the stupid DK and Hindu Haters) to condone his sins by returning Sri Sita back to Sri Rama. And when this fell on deaf ears, Vibheeshana chose himself to disown his brother who was the epitome of adharma. Where is the question of Bribery in this? Probably as Sivar and his elks are so much obsessed with the Bribes that they take and therefore create problems to everyone, felt this noble act of Vibheeshana unacceptable as he was upholding the Dharma. Also as Sivar and his elks follow the great joker EVR who supported the Wife-Usurption, anyone who ridiculed this act could be only seen with a tainted glass. And as naturally they had a hatred for Sri Rama who was the only example of a Ideally Virtuous Human Being, they just could not accept the fact that Ravana’s own brother, exposed his “adharmic” inclination and joined Sri Rama.

    In the same lines, I would be interested to know what is their stand on Anna and MK, when they ditched their own master, EVR. Who bribed them? Also if they ditched EVR, then it means that EVR has done something wrong. They why their “Manamigu” (Sorry maanagetta) Thalaivar, Veeramani is “sombu-adichifying” this MK now?

    Again another example of “Butter in one eye and Calcium in the other”.

    And to crown all these this Coward Sivar says that there are more infinite references!! Ayyo…. Ayyo…… இன்னும் எவ்வளோ பேருய்யா இப்படி கேளம்பிருக்கிங்க

  11. vedaprakash Says:

    11. tvvenkatesh Says:
    Posted on May 2nd, 2008


    In my reply to Quote 2 i meant to say “Jollu Parties” and not “Jolly Parties”, though the latter also conveys my message, with a more dignified accent.

  12. vedaprakash Says:

    12. tvvenkatesh Says:
    Posted on May 3rd, 2008

    The very fact that this Sivar wrote a filth and disappeared proves clearly all the doubts raised about his ancestry to the blog.

    Spineless cowards. Obviously this is the response that we can expect from people belonging to that culture.

  13. vedaprakash Says:

    13. sundarananth Says:
    Posted on May 3rd, 2008

    In the post of Sivar,the slaying of Vali is mentioned as an act of cowardice.First the dravidian fools should see Valmiki Ramayan t that Vali claimed to be an animal first and Ram claimed that then his dharma as a Kashatriya is to hunt.Then Vali claimed to be chieftain of a clan to which Rama replied that as representative of the Emperor of that land he could mete out punishment to usurper of other man’s wife.This was also accepted by Vali and why these scoundrels are sitting on judgement over what was agreed as by Vali himself?

  14. vedaprakash Says:

    14. tvvenkatesh Says:
    Posted on May 3rd, 2008

    That was a great one Sundarananth. Excellent!! But the irony is that the DK fools will find fault with him as “Usurping Other Man’s wife” is the CULTURE of these fellows!!!

    Shameless, spineless coward Sivar, who has comfortably hidden himself to save any embarrassment.

  15. vedaprakash Says:

    15. tvvenkatesh Says:
    Posted on May 3rd, 2008

    And that is precisely why it is stated that “Ramo vigrahavan Dharma:”. Meaning, Sri Rama is the embodiment of Dharma. How can these Adharmic idiots appreciate Sri Rama?

  16. vedaprakash Says:

    16. Ezhavendan Says:
    Posted on May 4th, 2008

    Dear friends,

    Let us not bother about the usual questions raised about Ramayana. This debate has been thousands of years old and they have been answered by the Pundits / scholars long back (more 2000 years back). For example, in Valmiki Ramayana, Sita herself has questioned Rama about his doubting. The words she used have been very specific and attacking Rama. But these people do not read.

    Now, only the difference is that non-Hindus infiltrate Hindus and spoil everything. They confuse and corrupt Hindu minds also. I have evidences how they have been there in every group.

    Therefore, the only way to refute them is to follow Hussain-method – paint pictures of non-Hindu gods and goddesses in the same way, he has done. Or the former Sahi Imam method – as he called Bharat Matha, a bitch.

    This would prick their consciousness, if at all, they have anything.

    They are cowards in the sense, in physical world, they explode as suicide bombs, car bombs and so on, kiling themselves and killing others – mostly innocents, children and women. And these terrorists and their frinds talk about childen-rights, women-rights and so on.

    Here in internet forums, they explode like this throwing filth all sides (as flesh and bones were strewn apart all around).

    So I request that there should be a moderator to check and control the postings to maintain decency and decorum of http://www.indiainteracts.com, as they have provided excellent opportunity to discuss and debate points in an intellectual way.

  17. vedaprakash Says:

    17. brahmallahchrist Says:
    Posted on September 13th, 2008

    Change in Tamil New Year: High Court orders notice

    Special Correspondent in The Hindu dated Saturday, Sep 13, 2008


    CHENNAI: The Madras High Court on Friday ordered notice on a writ petition challenging the State Government’s legislation declaring that hereinafter instead of the first of Chitrai month, the first of “Thai” will be Tamil New Year Day and the first Tamil month would be “Thai”, instead of “Chitrai”.

    When the petition came up before the First Bench comprising the Chief Justice A.K.Ganguly and Justice F.M.Ibrahim Kalifulla, the government pleader (GP) took notice. The Bench said a notice be served on the Advocate-General also. The GP may file an affidavit two weeks after the Pooja vacation. Rejoinder, if any, to be filed by one week thereafter. The case may be posted three weeks thereafter, the Bench said.

    In his public interest litigation petition, K.R.Ramaswamy alias Traffic Ramaswamy, founder Chairman, TANSWO, said the legislation was unconstitutional and ultra vires since the State legislature lacked competence to enact it. The petitioner said that from time immemorial, the first day of Chitrai was regarded as Tamil New Year Day by Tamils. The present government’s move was wholly contrary to the Tamil calendar being followed for over 2000 years. The celebration of first day of Chitrai as new year day was a matter of faith of Tamils, their culture and their religion. It was not open to the government to change the calendar. The government had several things to do as contained under the “Directive Principles of the State Policy.” Nothing had been done with regard to many of these provisions .

  18. vedaprakash Says:

    18. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on September 13th, 2008

    தை முதல் தேதி புத்தாண்டு : தமிழக அரசுக்கு நோட்டீஸ்

    தினமலர் செப்டம்பர் 13,2008,00:00 IST
    http://www.dinamalar.com/kutramnewsdetail.asp?News_id=1467&cls=row3&ncat =TN

    சென்னை : தை முதல் தேதியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டாக அறிவித்து, தமிழக அரசு பிறப்பித்த சட்டத்தை எதிர்த்து தாக்கல் செய்யப் பட்ட வழக்கில், இரண்டு வாரங்களுக்குள் பதில் அளிக்கும்படி தமிழக அரசுக்கு சென்னை ஐகோர்ட் நோட்டீஸ் அனுப்ப உத்தரவிட்டுள்ளது. சென்னையைச் சேர்ந்த “டிராபிக்’ ராமசாமி தாக்கல் செய்த மனு: சித்திரை மாதம் முதல் தேதிக்குப் பதில், தை மாதம் முதல் தேதியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டாக அறிவித்து தமிழக அரசு உத்தரவிட்டது.

    இதுசம்பந்தமாக, “தமிழ்நாடு புத்தாண்டுச் சட்டம் – 2008′ என்ற சட்டமும் இயற்றப்பட்டது. தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டைப் பொறுத்தவரை, சித்திரைமாதம் துவங்கி பங்குனி மாதம் முடிவடையும். இரண்டாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளாகப் பின்பற்றப்பட்டுவந்த இந்த மரபு, தற்போது மாற்றப்பட்டு, தை முதல் தேதி தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டாக அறிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. தமிழக அரசு சட்டம், பல ஆயிரம் ஆண்டுகளாகப் பின்பற்றப் பட்டுவந்த முறைக்கு முரணாக உள்ளது. சித்திரை முதல் தேதியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டாக தொடர்ந்து கொண்டாடுவதில் எந்தத் தவறும் இல்லை.

    இதை மாற்றுவதற்கு எந்த காரணமும் இல்லை. இவ்வாறு மதம் மற்றும் பல ஆண்டுகளாகக் கடைப்பிடிக்கப்படும் மரபுகளில் அரசு தலையிட முடியாது. எனவே, இந்தச் சட்டத்தை அரசியல் சாசனத்துக்கு விரோதமானது என அறிவிக்க வேண்டும். இவ்வாறு அந்த மனுவில் கூறப்பட்டுள்ளது.

    இந்த மனுவை விசாரித்த தலைமை நீதிபதி கங்குலி, நீதிபதி இப்ராகிம் கலிபுல்லா ஆகியோர் அடங்கிய “முதல் பெஞ்ச்,’ மனுவுக்கு இரண்டு வாரங்களுக்குள் பதில் அளிக்கும் படி தலைமைச் செயலர், பொதுத்துறைச் செயலர் மற்றும் சட்டத்துறைச் செயலர் ஆகியோருக்கு நோட்டீஸ் அனுப்ப உத்தரவிட்டது.

  19. vedaprakash Says:

    19. sundarananth Says:
    Posted on September 13th, 2008

    The Government cannot arrogate to itself powers to alter the faith or cultural practices which is not the mandate of the Government.As Rajaji once said,the job of the Govenmnet is to run Government and not to run business or force the policies of the ruling parties.Since we do not have statesmen of the calibre of Rajaji in the scenario,these sort of overzealous and bigotrious persons hold sway over public opinion

  20. vedaprakash Says:

    20. sundarananth Says:
    Posted on September 13th, 2008

    The Government cannot arrogate to itself powers to alter the faith or cultural practices which is not the domain of the Government.As Rajaji once said,the job of the Govenmnet is to run Government and not to run business or force the policies of the ruling parties.Since we do not have statesmen of the calibre of Rajaji in the scenario,these sort of overzealous and bigotrious persons hold sway over public opinion

  21. vedaprakash Says:

    21. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on September 14th, 2008

    The Black parivar have been on the attack just like “Mujahideedn”, as in today’s Viduthalai, it has come out with the following tiradae:

    சம� �்கிருதம் ஒழிந்த தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு நாள்காட்டி

    தமிழக அரசு அண்மையில் வெளியிட்டுள்ள தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டுச் சட்டம் 2008-ல், தைத் திங்களின் முதல் நாளிலிருந்து தமிழ் ஆண்டு தொடங்கி மார்கழித் திங்கள் கடைசி நாளில் முடிவடையும் என்றும், இனி அரசாணைகள், அரசிதழ், அரசு கடிதங்கள் மற்ற அரசு வெளியீடுகளில் பிரபவ முதல் அட்சய வரையுள்ள 60 ஆண்டுகளின் பெயர்களை பயன்படுத்த வேண்டாம் என்றும், கிறித்துவ ஆண்டுக்கு நிகராக திருவள்ளுவராண்டு தமிழ்த் திங்கள்கள், நாள் ஆகியவற்றையே பயன்படுத்த வேண்டும் என்றும் கூறியுள்ளது.
    அரசின் ஆணையை எதிர்த்து கேலி செய்யும் தமிழ்ப் பகைவர்கள் ஒருபுறமும், அரசியலிலே நிறைந்துள்ள தமிழ்ப் பகைவர்கள் ஒருபுறமும், தமிழர்களிலேயே அறியாமையில் உழலும் மக்கள் ஒருபுறமும் உள்ள நிலையில் இந்த ஆணையின் பயன் முழுமையாக மக்கள் இடத்தில் நிறைவேற வேண்டுமானால் மக்களின் மனதை மாற்ற வேண்டும். அவர்கள் மூளையிலிருந்து சமக்கிருதப் பெயர்களை அழிக்க வேண்டும்.
    திராவிட முன்னேற்றக் கழகம், காங்கிரஸ், கம்யூனிஸ்ட் கட்சி, கம்யூனிஸ்ட் கட்சி (மா) பாட்டாளி மக்கள் கட்சி, விடுதலைச் சிறுத்தைகள், மறுமலர்ச்சி திமுக, திராவிடர் கழகம், மார்க்சிய பெரியாரிய பொது உடைமை கட்சி, உலகத் தமிழர் பேரமைப்பு, தலைநகர் தமிழ்ச் சங்கம், பெரியார் தமிழ்ப் பேரவை, திராவிட இயக்கத் தமிழர் பேரவை மற்றுமுள்ள தமிழ் அமைப்புகள், கட்சிகளை ஒன்றுகூட்டி, ஒரு குழு அமைத்து அக்குழுவை 6-7 சிறு குழுக்களாகப் பிரித்து, ஒரே நேரத்தில் 6-7 நாட்காட்டி வெளியிடும் நிறுவன உரிமையாளர்களை நேரில் சந்தித்து 2009-ஆம் ஆண்டு வெளிவர உள்ள நாட்காட்டியில் (படம் காண்க) என்பது போல சமக்கிருத ஆண்டுப் பெயர்களை நீக்கிவிட்டு நாட்காட்டிகளை வெளியிடுமாறு வேண்டுகோள் வைத்தும், வற்புறுத்தியும், சமக்கிருத ஆண்டு முறையை முற்றாக ஒழிக்க வேண்டும்.


    முழு நிலவு பூர்ணம் பௌர்ணமி

    முதல் நாள் பிரதம் (ஏக்) பிரதமை

    2-ஆம் நாள் தோ துவிதியை
    3-ஆம் நாள் தீன் திரிதியை
    4-ஆம் நாள் ச்சார் சதுர்த்தி
    5-ஆம் நாள் பாஞ்ச் பஞ்சமி
    6-ஆம் நாள் ச்சே சஷ்டி
    7-ஆம் நாள் சாத் சப்தமி
    8-ஆம் நாள் ஆட் அஷ்டமி
    9-ஆம் நாள் நவ் நவமி
    10-ஆம் நாள் தஸ் தசமி
    11-ஆம் நாள் ஏக்தஸ் ஏகாதசி
    12-ஆம் நாள் தோதஸ் துவாதசி
    13-ஆம் நாள் தீன்தஸ் திரியோதசி
    14-ஆம் நாள் ச்சார்தஸ் சதுர்த்தசி
    புதுப்பிறை அமாவாஸ்ய அமாவாஸ்ய

    மேலே முதல் வரிசையில் உள்ள தமிழ் சொற்களுக்கு நேராக இரண்டாம் வரிசையிலுள்ள இந்திச் சொற்களை சற்றே மாற்றியும், திரித்தும், மூன்றாம் வரிசையில் உள்ளதுபோல் எழுதி வைத்து, அந்த ஒவ்வொரு நாளுக்கும் ஒரு மகத்துவம் கற்பித்து ஏமாற்றி வருகிறார்கள் என்பதை நாட்காட்டி அச்சிடுவோருக்கு விளக்கிக் கூறி, இனிமேல் நாட்காட்டியில் முதல் வரிசையில் உள்ள தமிழ்ச் சொற்களையே அச்சிடுமாறு வேண்டுகோள் வைக்க வேண்டும். இந்த ஆண்டு இல்லை என்றாலும் 2010-ஆம் ஆண்டு முதல் பயன்படுத்தச் சொல்லலாம்.
    தமிழ்நாட்டில் வெளியிடப்படும் நாளிதழ், கிழமை இதழ், திங்களிதழ் நடத்துவோரிடத்தும் இந்த வேண்டுகோளை வைக்க வேண்டும் என்றும் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன்.
    இச்செயலைச் செய்யும்போது எந்தவித விளம்பரமும் இன்றி கமுக்கமாகச் செய்வது சாலச் சிறந்தது – பயனளிக்கத் தக்கது என்று கருதுகிறேன்.
    அய்யா, எனக்குத் தோன்றிய சில கருத்துக்களை இக்கடிதத்தில் எழுதியுள்ளேன். இதனிலும் வேறு நல்ல வழிகள் இருந்தால் அப்படியே செய்து, விரைவில் நாட்காட்டியில் சமக்கிருதத்தை ஒழித்து, தமிழர்களை மூடத்தனத்திலிருந்து விடுவிக்க வேண்டும் என்று அன்புடன் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன்.

    – பொன். இராமசந்திரன்

  22. vedaprakash Says:

    22. yahwehfraud Says:
    Posted on September 22nd, 2008

    The Power Cut situation is such bad in Tamilnadu.

    Law and Order is equally concerning.

    Prices of each Commodity is going up.

    What is government doing/

    Why not they Govern and stop meddling with History?

  23. vedaprakash Says:

    23. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on September 24th, 2008

    The Madras High Court has dismissed the petition filed questioning the change of Tamil Newyear’s day.

    Definitely, it has to be appealed against, as the petitioner has many legal points and the Judge, evidently has been biased in not addressing such points.

    It is ironical that the learned judge has not gone into the act of meddling / disturbing the age-old practice of the temples, as such change affect the established rites, rituals and ceremonies.

    தை முதல்நாளை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு அறிவித்தது செல்லும்


    அரச ு ஆணையை எதிர்த்த மனு உயர்நீதிமன்றத்தில் தள்ளுபடி

    சென்னை, செப். 24- சித்திரை முதல் தேதியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு நாளாக கொண்டாட அனுமதி கோரி தாக்கல் செய்த மனுவை சென்னை உயர்நீதிமன்றம் தள்ளுபடி செய்தது.

    திருச்செந்தூரைச் சேர்ந்த சிவசுப்பிரமணிய ஆதித்தன் என்பவர் தாக்கல் செய்த மனுவில் கூறி இருந்ததாவது:

    திருச்செந்தூர் சிவகொழுந்தீசுவரர் கோயிலில் தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டான சித்திரை முதல் தேதியன்று சிறப்புப் பூஜைகள், வழிபாடு நடத்த அனுமதி கோரி இந்து அறநிலையத் துறை இணை ஆணையரிடம் மனு கொடுத்தேன். அந்த மனுவை நிராகரித்த இணை ஆணையர், தை முதல் தேதியைத்தான் தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு என தமிழக அரசு அறிவித்துள்ளது. எனவே, சித்திரை முதல் தேதியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டாகக் கொண்டாட முடியாது என ஆணையிட் டுள்ளார். இந்த ஆணை எங்களது அடிப்படை உரிமையில் தலையிடுவதாகும். எனவே இணை ஆணையர் பிறப்பித்த ஆணையை ரத்து செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று அந்த மனுவில் அவர் கோரியிருந்தார்.

    மனுவை விசாரித்த உயர் நீதிமன்ற நீதிபதி சந்துரு அளித்த தீர்ப்பாவது:
    சித்திரை முதல் தேதிதான் தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டின் தொடக்கம் என்பதற்கு சிறிய ஆதாரத்தைக் கூட மனுதாரர் சமர்ப்பிக்கவில்லை. கோயிலின் பழக்க வழக்கம் குறித்து இந்து அறநிலையத் துறை சட்டப்படி தான் அணுகவேண்டும்.

    நாட்டில் பலவிதமான காலண்டர்கள் பிற்பற்றப்படு கின்றன. தமிழில் 60 ஆண்டுகள் உள்ளன. அது குறித்து காரசார விவாதங்கள் நடந்து வருகின் றன. முந்தைய காலங்களிலும் தமிழ் காலண்டர்களில் மாற்றம் கொண்டு வரப்பட் டுள்ளது. எனவே தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டை அரசு தை மாதத்திற்கு மாற்றியமைத்தது புதிதல்ல.

    இதற்கு அரசியலமைப்புச் சட்டப்படி உரிமை உண்டு. இந்த 60 ஆண்டு கால சுழற்சி யில் மாற்றம் கொண்டுவரவும், சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் உள்ள 60 ஆண்டுகளின் பெயரை தமிழில் மாற்றம் ஒரு வல்லுநர் குழுவை அமைத்து அரசு ஆலோசனை கேட்கலாம்.

    தமிழை ஆட்சி மொழியாகக் கொண்டு வர அதிகாரம் உள்ள போது, எந்த அடிப்படையில் தமிழ் காலண்டர் இருக்க வேண்டும் என்று கூறுவதற்கும அரசுக்கு அதிகாரம் உண்டு. இந்த மனு தள்ளுபடி செய்யப்படுகிறது.
    இவ்வாறு நீதிபதி சந்துரு தீர்ப்பளித்தார்.

  24. vedaprakash Says:

    24. MNachiappan Says:
    Posted on January 3rd, 2009

    எந்த மாதத்தில் ‘தமிழ் புத்தாண்டு’ : காலண்டரில் குழப்பமோ குழப்பம்

    ஜனவரி 03,2009,00:00 IST
    http://www.dinamalar.com/Sambavamnewsdetail.asp?News_id=7538&cls=row3&nc at=TN

    பொள்ளாச்சி : “தை முதல் தேதியான தமிழர் திருநாளில் தான், தமிழ் புத்தாண்டு கொண்டாடப்பட வேண்டும்’ என்று கடந்தாண்டு அரசு உத்தரவிட்டது. ஆனால், காலண்டர்களில் தை, சித்திரை ஆகிய இரு மாதங்களின் முதல் தேதியும் தமிழ் புத்தாண்டு தினமாக குறிப்பிட்டிருப்பதால் மக்கள் குழப்பம் அடைந்துள்ளனர். தமிழகத்தில் பாரம்பரியமாக சித்திரை முதல் தேதியை, தமிழ் புத்தாண்டாக பொதுமக்கள் கொண்டாடி வருகின்றனர். “தமிழ் மாதங்களில் முதலாவதாக வரக்கூடிய தை மாதம், தமிழர்கள் திருநாளாக கொண்டாடப்படுகிறது. எனவே, தை முதல் தேதியில் தான் தமிழ் புத்தாண்டும் கொண்டாடப்பட வேண்டும்’ என்று அரசு அறிவித்தது.

    அரசின் இந்த அறிவிப்புக்கு, இந்து அமைப்புக்கள் பலத்த எதிர்ப்பு தெரிவித்தன. புத்தாண்டு தினத்தை எப்போது கொண்டாடுவது என்று பொதுமக்கள் குழப்பமடைந்தனர். இருப்பினும், கடந்த சித்திரை முதல் தேதி வழக்கம் போல் வீடுகளில் சிறப்பு பூஜைகள் செய்து புத்தாண்டை பொதுமக்கள் வரவேற்றனர்.

    இந்நிலையில், நடப்பாண்டில் புதிதாக அச்சடிக்கப்பட்டுள்ள காலண்டர்களால் பொதுமக்களிடம் தமிழ் புத்தாண்டு குறித்த குழப்பம் மேலும் அதிகரித்துள்ளது. புதிதாக 2009ம் ஆண்டுக்கான காலண்டர்களில், தை முதல் தேதி தமிழர் திருநாள் எனவும், சித்திரை முதல் தேதி (ஏப்., 14) தமிழ் புத்தாண்டு எனவும் அச்சடிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. வேறு சில காலண்டர்களில் தை முதல் தேதி பொங்கல் மற்றும் “தமிழக அரசு தமிழ் புத்தாண்டு’ எனவும், சித்திரை முதல் தேதியன்று “தமிழ் வருடப்பிறப்பு’ எனவும் அச்சடிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. ஆனால், காலண்டர்களின் பின்பக்கத்தில், “சித்திரை மாதத்தில் தான் புத்தாண்டு தினம்; அரசு விடுமுறை’ என அறிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.

    அதே வேளையில், கோவில்களில் தை முதல் தேதி தமிழ் புத்தாண்டை முன்னிட்டு சிறப்பு பூஜைகள் நடக்கும் என்று தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. ஆனால், இந்து அமைப்புக்கள் சித்திரை முதல் தேதியை தான் புத்தாண்டாக கொண்டாட வேண்டும் என்று வலியுறுத்தி வருகின்றன. எனவே, தமிழ் புத்தாண்டை எந்த தினத்தில் கொண்டாடுவது என்பதில் பொதுமக்கள் குழப்பத்தில் ஆழ்ந்துள்ளனர்.

  25. vedaprakash Says:

    I have posted, “Karunanidhi way of Meddling with Chronology and History” in http://www.indiainteracts.com.

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    An there were 24 responses.

    However, they stopped the blogs and I also find my blogs were either meddled or disappeared.

    Therefore, this is posted here for convenence and also to salvage the available material for further usage.

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