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Why Christian schools exceed the limits of education, resort to psychological methods and indulge in sexual harassments, molestations and rapes?

May 1, 2018

Why Christian schools exceed the limits of education, resort to psychological methods and indulge in sexual harassments, molestations and rapes?

Georgris Britto arrested, Jaipur catholic priest-School

Why more and more Christian religious heads involve in sexual crimes?: The Christian indulgences in sexual harassments, molestations and even rapes have been increasing and become order of the day, not only throughout the world, but also in India. Every day, news is coming about the involvement of Christian cardinal, bishop, pastor, priest and so on in the violations of Acts and rules of the land. Initially, they have been adjusting and compromising within the church and hence suppressing many such incidences do not come out and get published in the media. But, later, slowly, the violations exceeded limits and such contraventions warranted legal action, adjudication and persecution. Though, the church-related crimes have been increasing, the responsible religious heads have been trying to suppress, instead of bringing discipline in the church. The Jaipur sexual harassment issue has not been drawn attention of the media, though, much hue and cry has been made out for other sexual crimes. In Tamil media, virtually, there has not been no whisper is made about the issue.

Britto arrested, Jaipur catholic priest

Georgish Britto surrendered or tried to ran away hiding?: A Catholic priest has been sent to a jail in Rajasthan for allegedly sending an obscene message to a teenage girl student of his school. In one of the messages, the accused wrote – ‘Your husband is always waiting for you’. Police on April 20, 2018 arrested Father Georgish Britto, vice principal of St Anselm School in Alwar[1]. A case was registered against him two days earlier for texting the 15-year-old ninth grader[2]. He was arrested when he went to “surrender” to the police, Father Edward Oliveira, vicar general of Jaipur diocese, told Matters India on April 23, 2018. The school is managed by the diocese of Jaipur. Alwar is some 160 km northeast of Jaipur, the state capital and the diocesan headquarters. According to other reports, the accused vice principal fled to Dausa in a bus after he came to know about the police case[3]. He called up his friend in Alwar from Dausa. The police traced the call and a team was immediately rushed to Dausa and arrested from Lalsot Road[4]. He was brought to Alwar where he is being interrogated. Sources said that the man was “planning to flee” to his native village via Jaipur. So the catholic priest wanted to “surrender” to the police or “planning to flee” to his native village has to be decided by the God!

Britto arrested, Jaipur priest

Why Georgish Britto was sending obscene messages and videos?: On Wednesday [18-04-2018], there was a huge drama at the school when the girl’s parents accompanied by members of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the Bajrang Dal protested against the school’s vice principal. Following this, senior police officials arrived at the school to pacify the protesters[5]. The girl’s family alleged that not only was the vice principal sending their daughter obscene messages and videos from the past few days, but was also forcing her to change her religion[6]. Local political leaders including MLA Banwari Lal Singhal also arrived at the school to take stock of the situation[7]. The protesting group alleged that the vice principal was hiding somewhere in the school and police is deliberately not arresting him[8]. Paul, the principal of the school, however, said that he was unaware about the vice principal’s activities. After the high-octane drama, IPS Anil Beniwal reached the spot and asked the girl’s father to report the matter. “The vice principal has been booked under the POSCO Act and search is on to find him,” Beniwal said. The girl had not complained about the obscene messages earlier, obviously afraid of the school authorities.

Georgris Britto arrested, by Jaipur police

Georgish Britto – can he capable of giving counselling to the girl?: According to the Times of India, the administration called in additional forces to keep the situation under control. While the protestors argued with the cops; the parents accused the school of shielding their teacher. Father Oliveira said the girl’s brother beat Father Britto on April 20, 2018. The vicar general said Father Britto, who was ordained hardly a year ago, had counseled the girl’s family to sort out some domestic problems. How can he indulge in such activities of counselling the girl is intriguing. The girl’s elder brother had also studied in the same school. The girl apparently developed some “infatuation” toward the young priest and used her father’s mobile to message him at night after her father went to sleep, the vicar general explained. This type of counter accusation by the Church and clergy expose their ugliest side of sexual harassment that has been going on in many Christian schools. However, the father caught the girl chatting with the priest and complained to the police. So the fact has been more clear than the Christian attempts of suppressimg the facts, in spite of their position, status etc.

Oswald Lewis letter dated 24-04-2018

In one of the messages, the accused wrote – ‘Your husband is always waiting for you’: This cleararly exposed his non-educative, non-catholic and indiscipline attitude and sexual mindset of the priest. Ironically, this has been the characteristic of the Christian church and clergy in India and the world also. Father Britto was arrested under Protection of Children from Sexual Offences Act of 2012, a stringent law to end abuses of minors[9]. Father Oliveira said the groups had accused the vice principal of trying to convert the girl and fondling her, besides sending lewd messages[10]. The vicar general said the junior priest had admitted that he only sent the message to the girl but denied other charges. “He admitted what he had done was imprudent and wrong. What has happened is very sad,” he added. The school authorities reportedly claimed that the student had never complained about such messages. But, the school authorities have not been so naïve to leave the girl, particularly, when she complained to the police. Father Oliveira said the accused priest had to remain in jail until May 5, 2018. “We can move for bail only after that,” he added.

Georgris Britto arrested, Jaipur bishop- Oswald Lewis

The arrogant attitude of the Church: Here, also, evidently, the national media though silent, the few covered the incidence tried to dub the excessive reaction of the so-called “right-wing” groups. Ironically, the letter of Oswald J. Lewis dated 24-04-2018 addressed to “Clergy, Religious & Laity, and Catholic Diocese of Jaipur” has been intriguing and shocking.  “In times of trial, uncertainties, and hardships we have only one source of consolation – Jesus the Good Shepherd. We turn to him in prayer. I hereby request you to fast and pray that we may tide over this situation and that Fr. Georgish Britto may have the strength and courage to bear the cross that the Lord has given him. Do pray for Paul Pulikal too that he be guided and strengthened by the Holy Spirit. Thanking you for your understanding of the situation sympathetically and praying for us.” This clearly proves that the Christian heads have not regretted, apologized and repented for the sinful crimes and criminal sins committed, but with theological arrogance, tried to justify such heinous sexual crimes, coolly forgetting the affected girls and women of India.

Sex abuse- church cover up-

In secular state, crimes cannot be justified with theology: Crime is a crime and it has to be dealt with according to the law of the land, but, when it is justified, vindicated and defended based on religion, theology and other illegal means, then, there is a reason to believe that the offenders, wrongdoers and criminals are protected. Then, as a pattern is noted in such perpetrated crimes for the last 50 years, it is nothing but organized crime carried on under the guise of religion by a particular group or believers. When the country is secular, the criminals cannot be treated differently, just because, he is a Christian and his theology helps him to escape from crimes committed. But, the Bishop’s letter quoted above clearly proves that the Christians have such extraneous mysticism, illegal spirituality and illegitimate holiness means to cover up crimes of all sorts by divine theology. This is very dangerous in a secular state, democratic polity and civil society and therefore, every citizen of India has right to expose such heinous ideology, atrocious philosophy and dreadful dogma paraded as acceptable religion and bring the criminals to court for prosecution and punishment.

© Vedaprakash

01-05-2018

Georgris Britto arrested, by Jaipur police-G+

[1] Matters.India, Catholic priest arrested for sending “sleazy” message to teenager , By Jose Kavi, Published on: 3:00 pm, April 23, 2018 by: mattersindia.com.

[2] http://mattersindia.com/2018/04/catholic-priest-arrested-for-sending-sleazy-message-to-teenager/

[3] ThePinkcityPost, St Anselm’s School: Vice principal arrested for sending obscene messages to girl student, Staff Writer Staff Writer | April 19, 2018 | Last Updated: April 23, 2018 11:13 am

[4] https://www.pinkcitypost.com/st-anselms-school-vice-principal-arrested-for-sending-obscene-messages-to-girl/

[5] NDTV, Vice Principal Booked For Allegedly Sending Obscene Messages To Girl In Rajasthan School, Edited by Richa Taneja (With Inputs From ANI) | Updated: April 19, 2018 12:27 IST.

[6] https://www.ndtv.com/cities/vice-principal-booked-for-allegedly-sending-obscene-messages-to-girl-in-rajasthans-alwar-school-1839734

[7] Dhainik Bhaskar, अलवर: सेंट एंसलम के जूनियर फादर ने 9वीं की छात्रा को भेजा अश्लील मैसेज, लोगों ने पीटा, Bhaskar News | Last Modified – Apr 19, 2018, 03:42 AM IST.

[8] https://www.bhaskar.com/rajasthan/jaipur/news/st-anselm-school-alwar-junior-father-sent-obscene-messages-5854930.html

[9] Khas.Khabar, सेंट एंसलम के वाइस प्रिंसिपल पर पॉक्सो एक्ट में केस दर्ज, अश्लील मैसेज भेजने का आरोप, khaskhabar.com : गुरुवार, 19 अप्रैल 2018 09:22.

[10] https://www.khaskhabar.com/local/rajasthan/alwar-news/news-alwar-st-anselm-school-junior-fr-arrest-in-pocso-act-news-hindi-1-307990-KKN.html

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“Thomas myth” raked up by the Kerala Church to suppress the multi-crore land scam racist, liturgical and  catechetical problems (2)

April 17, 2018

“Thomas myth” raked up by the Kerala Church to suppress the multi-crore land scam racist, liturgical and  catechetical problems (2)

Discussing Thomas myth- Thelakkat and Narayanan

G. S. Narayanan pointed out that Kerala was not habituated during first centuries: Noted historian M G S Narayanan said there were no historic documents to suggest that St Thomas had come to India for evangelisation work[1]. “There were no human habitations here at that time in Kerala. There was only forest here. How would he visit such a place? For what? . Human settlements began towards the end of Mauryan dynasty, he said. It is common for religious heads and political parties to twist history for their benefit, he told a Malayalam TV channel. The Syrian Christian community in Kerala believes that St Thomas came to this part in AD 52 and had established churches. The community considers St Thomas as the ‘Father in Faith’ of Christians in India. The Syro-Malabar Church has over 30 dioceses in the country and four outside– in the U.S.A., Canada, Australia and Britain–serving over five million faithful. M.G.S. Narayanan had earlier questioned the claim[2]. “Thomashleeha (as St. Thomas is known in Kerala) is an imaginary thing. He is one of the apostles. He should be Christ’s contemporary. If he had come to Kerala, there would have been only forests in Kerala, let alone Brahmins,” Narayanan told Outlook. “Syrian Christians’ trade relations with Kerala started in 2nd and 3rd century. Brahmins came as a hegemonic community in Kerala only in 8th Century,” he said. Pius Melekandathil, professor at the Centre for Historical Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), who is an expert on maritime history and church history, admitted that it is a matter of dispute however saying that the probability factor has to be taken into consideration.

Geevargheese Mor Cooilos denies Brahmins were converted by Thomas
The Bishop, Geevarghese Mor Coorilos asserted that Thomas never converted Brahmins[3]: The Bishop of Niranam diocese, historically one of the oldest dioceses of the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church in Kerala, has criticized the upper caste tendencies among believers fuelled by a “mythical” belief that St. Thomas converted Brahmins to Christianity in Kerala[4]. It is also widely believed that St Thomas, one of the 12 apostles of Christ, had converted members of top Brahmin families in Kerala to Christianity. Though the Abrahamic faith is devoid of caste hierarchies, Christian families often hold get-togethers to celebrate their lineage and put out books proclaiming their Brahmin origin[5].  The Bishop, Geevarghese Mor Coorilos, however, in a Facebook post announced[6] that he would not attend any such get-togethers, dubbing them as “programs to assert their artificially created upper caste identity and lineage.” “They say their ancestors were Brahmins converted by St. Thomas. They even put out their family history in books proclaiming such false notions. These baseless, savarna caste-oriented and reactionary myths have to be busted,” read his statement in Malayalam, adding, “I did attend such events due to my personal intimacy with them. But, I regret it. I can’t (do it) any more”.

Geevarghese Mor Coorilos asserts that Brahmins not converted by Thomas

Supporting Brahmin or Dalit – the Church divided: “It is a matter of debate. But, many historians have seen it as highly probable and reliable. The earliest reference to St. Thomas preaching gospel to Brahmins is from St. Jerome of 4th century. Among the converts , the Brahmin converts seem to have been quite significant enough to attract the special attention of St. Jerome, who mentions that the apostle went “ut Christus apud Brachmanas praedicaret” (to preach Christ to the Brahmins),” he said. “This needs more investigation. It is more nuanced and complex. Brahmin does not mean one single category of social group. There were different categories of Brahmins in Kerala. It was not a period where there was absence of Brahmins. It’s true they came as a hegemonic group only in 8th Century. But, there were Brahmins as scattered and fragmented community even before that. Duties and obligations of Brahmins under Chera empire are mentioned in Sangam literature,” he said. Melekandathil also said that there are written documents of maritime trade agreement between Muziris (in Kerala) and Alexandria from 2nd century obtained from Vienna archive in 1985. The Bishop, who also serves the World Council of Churches as moderator of its Commission on World Mission and Evangelism (CWME), later added, “Many address me as ‘Thirumeni’, a myth created by the upper caste[7]. They can call me a friend or father. If they want it to be formal, it can be Bishop. We have to change and should change many things,” To make his point, the Bishop quoted writer OV Vijayan’s statement “The English language is the best weapon to challenge the caste”.  He had also supported the hartal organised by Dalit outfits on 09-04-2018, Monday. “Normally, I do not support hartals as such protests in Kerala have not served their purpose. But I support the Dalit hartal wholeheartedly as it is against the atrocities faced by the marginalised sections under the fascist and feudal system. The people who are opposing the strike should introspect over their approach and mentality to the caste system and Dalits,” he posted on Facebook[8].

SC- converted christians- controversy

Catholic drama of caste, casteism and savarna: Fr. Paul Thelakat, former Syro Malabar Church spokesperson, echoed Coorilose’s statement. “In India we have bane that we irrespective of our religion have Manu sleeping within our consciousness. Everyone wants to establish one’s own upper caste glory. It is found in the ancient Christians of Kerala e.g certain families claiming to have been baptised from Brahmin families by St Thomas himself. St Thomas is supposed to have come to Kerala, it would be in the first century. Brahmins came to south India only in the 8th century. I am sorry to say upper caste mentality can be found also in Marxists in Kerala. Even though Marxism has a universal humanistic ideology, we find the upper caste surname kept, like Nampoodirpad, Menon, Pillai, Nair etc,” he said. Firm on his position despite the sharp and mixed reactions to his statement, Coorilos later wrote on the same post: “I am adding this after reading many comments to this post. Many of you are calling me ‘Thirumeni’ (a feudal honorific). That’s also a product of the savarna consciousness. You can call me a friend or Father. Or, if you want to make it more formal, you can call me Bishop.” “(Writer) OV Vijayan had said that English is the best weapon to resist caste. We must change. Change is must,” he said.

Church corrects Thelekkat - MM- 15-04-2018

Rs 80 crores land sold for Rs 27.30 crore: Just like Vatican, the Indian Church has also been involved in many scandals from sex to money swindling and other activities. Particularly, from Kerala, the crimes related to the Church have been horrible from murder, sex and financial scams involving all types of priests, bishops and cardinals also. Pressure is mounting on Cardinal George Alencherry, head of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church based in Kerala, to resign after allegations that church land had been sold below market value in a deal that he had approved. Alencherry, 72, was ordained as a Cardinal, a priest of the highest rank in the Roman Catholic Church, by Pope Benedict XVI in February 2012. He is one of only five Cardinals in India. The deal in question concerns the sale of three acres of land in Kochi by the Ernakulam archdiocese in 2016 to repay a Rs 60-crore bank loan it had taken to build a medical college. The agent appointed by the church to conduct the deal had estimated the value of the land at Rs 27.30 crore, but the church has so far received only Rs 9.13 crore of that amount. However, priests and lay people critical of the action claim that the plot was actually worth at least Rs 80 crores However, Kerala Catholic Bishops Council (KCBC) doesn’t seemed to be amused over the controversy. “There is no need to discuss the issue now. Those who raised the issue should solve it,” said KCBC official spokesperson Fr Varghese Vallikkatt[9]. But church sources pointed that Fr Thelakkat’s statement was made in connection with the ongoing land controversy in the Eranakulam-Angamali archdiocese and the tiff between the Ernakulam-Angamali diocese and the Changanacherry archdiocese respectively[10].

© Vedaprakash

17-04-2018

CPM organises 'BEEF FESTIVAL' inaugurated by 'Fr' Paul Thelakkat. Reported with glee by 'THE HINDU'.

[1] Covai Post Network, Historian Narayanan rubbishes St Thomas’s visit to Kerala to convert Hindus, April 15, 2018.

[2] https://www.covaipost.com/kerala-news/historian-narayanan-rubbishes-st-thomass-visit-to-kerala-to-convert-hindus/

[3] Indian express, Kerala Jacobite Church Metropolitan Geevarghese Mor Coorilos fires salvo at faithful’s ‘false beliefs’, By Express News Service | Published: 10th April 2018 03:24 AM, Last Updated: 10th April 2018 03:24 AM

[4] http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/apr/10/kerala-jacobite-church-metropolitan-geevarghese-mor-coorilos-fires-salvo-at-faithfuls-false-belief-1799309.html

[5] Outlook, Bishop Demolishes The Biggest Conversion ‘Myth’ of Kerala , 13 APRIL 2018 Last Updated at 5:21 PM.

[6] https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/bishop-demolishes-the-biggest-conversion-myth-of-kerala/310974

[7] News.18, Histories of Old Christian Families in Kerala ‘Fabricated’, Chandrakanth Viswanath | News18Updated:April 10, 2018, 11:45 PM IST.

[8] https://www.news18.com/news/india/kerala-syrian-church-bishop-calls-histories-of-old-christian-families-in-kerala-fabricated-1714533.html

[9] Times of India, Fresh row in church over St Thomas’s ‘visit’ to Kerala, TNN | Apr 13, 2018, 10:50 IST

[10] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/fresh-row-in-church-over-st-thomass-visit-to-kerala/articleshow/63742878.cms

 

St Joseph Hospice: a place for dying or dead people, what has been happening to dead bodies? Why no action taken from 2012 to 2018? (3)

February 24, 2018

St Joseph Hospice: a place for dying or dead people, what has been happening to dead bodies? Why no action taken from 2012 to 2018? (3)

Saint Joseph,oldage-cremation-vault

What the authorities were doing from 2012 to 2018?: Incidentally and ironically, the same type of news, accusation about the burial of dead bodies and connected details came out, only because of the public finding out “something” suspicious, wrong and violations were taking place. Therefore, the concerned and connected officers:

  1. Social welfare department, Govt. of Tamilnadu and its officials visited in 2012.
  2. District Social Welfare Officer
  3. The VAO of the area.
  4. The DSP / Superintendent of Police, Kancheepuram Police District

– must have taken decision and action to check the violations of the Hospice, but, nothing appeared to have been done. After six years, the same issues have come out with horrified details added. Therefore, a reasonable doubt arises as to whether these authorities and the Christian institutions have colluded with each other to carry out such horrible, terrific and dreadful activities in dealing with old people dying and dead. The Indian Express pointed out that, “They were surprised to find that the hospice did not just take care of the destitute elderly, but also had a multi-tier vault for storing corpses[1]. The vaults appeared like bank lockers. After a certain number of years, the vaults were reused. While it is unclear if the hospice management obtained permission to build the vault, what raised concern among officials was the lack of monitoring on whose bodies were deposited there and how the remains were processed. The home’s licence expired a few months ago and its application for renewal has not yet been approved[2]. “We raised concern about the absence of supervision on how the home handles bodies. We don’t even know if they obtain death certificates before depositing the corpses in the vault,” said a health department official. While rules mandate that the remains in the vault be cleared only once in 13 years, local residents claimed the management had been clearing them every few months.

St Joseph Hospice- Vault broken- dead body near

dead body brought, the vault broken and opened.

St Joseph Hospice- Vault broken- dead body inside

Old dead body was pushed down with stick

St Joseph Hospice- new dead body - inserted closed

New dead body put inside and pushed in the same vault, closed with the same old cement slab.

 

St Joseph Hospice- new dead body - inserted closed-sealed

Closed, plastered and flower placed symbolically.

Human skeletons, bones, bone powder export from Chennai, Tamilnadu: The export of human skeletons, bones, bone powder etc., was exported till 1985 legally from Indian ports, including Madras[3]. The export data from the Madras port proves the fact. For medical research and teaching, they are regularly required not only in foreign countries, but also in India, as more and more medical colleges are coming up. In 1985, however, the Indian government outlawed the export of human remains, and the global supply of skeletons collapsed[4]. But, years after India’s export ban, there are signs that the trade never ended, as black-market vendors in West Bengal [and also other parts of India] continue to supply human skeletons and skulls using the time-honored method[5]: Rob graves, separate soft flesh from unyielding calcium, and deliver the bones to distributors — who assemble them and ship them to dealers around the globe. The processing plant is little more than a bamboo hut with a tarpaulin roof — one of a dozen bone factories Pal says he knows about. In April, the authorities confiscated piles of bones, buckets of hydrochloric acid, and two barrels full of a caustic chemical they have yet to identify. All that’s left is a dirt floor with a large concrete vat sunk into the ground. First the corpses were wrapped in netting and anchored in the river, where bacteria and fish reduced a body to a loose pile of bones and mush in a week or so. The crew then scrubbed the bones and boiled them in a cauldron of water and caustic soda to dissolve any remaining flesh. That left the calcium surfaces with a yellow tint. To bring them up to medical white, bones were then left in sunlight for a week before being soaked in hydrochloric acid[6]. Therefore, it can easily be found out as to how thousands of skeletons were disposed off from the vaults of St Joseph Hospices, as they were cleared outside from the pits. Definitely, they must have been reached their destination for the purposes.

St Joseph Hospice- Vault broken- dead body inside pushed down

Old dead body in the vault

If Nepal is the hub in the north, where it is in the South?: As many as 2,000 skeletons and skulls are taken out every month through Nepal. While a sizable portion of these find their way to medical colleges and research labs in the West, the remaining — particularly the skulls — are supplied to Asian countries for use in occult rites.”The Asansol-Niyamatpur- Salanpur-Durgapur belt is notorious for this trade. Graveyards are regularly raided by professional grave diggers. The Vaishnavite burial grounds in the region are favourite targets. A few years ago, six bodies went missing from the Udaigarh Vaishnav graveyard, leading to a furore,” said a businessman who was a licenced exporter of skeletons till 1985, when the Centre imposed a ban. Soon after the ban, exporters and traders resorted to smuggling. Their main source of skeletons were unprotected burial grounds in the districts and villages. Before 1985, bodies were purchased from relatives of the dead and converted into skeletons before being exported. “There is a huge demand for skeletons and human bones in medical colleges and research labs in the West. Artificial bones are not very popular among teachers or students . Till 1985, India supplied 80% of bones. There was a vacuum after the ban. This has been put to use by smugglers,” a source revealed[7]. Smugglers operate from Kathmandu, Yangon, Patna, Kolkata and Varanasi. The ‘goods’ are stored in Burdwan , Asansol, Dhanbad, Rajgir , Katihar, Gaya, Bodh Gaya and Purnea. Kathmandu is the centre for the trade[8]. Therefore, from South India also, equally, they must have been regularly exported, but the details are kept secret and unknown. As pointed out, the details could be taken out, as the trade has been going on.

St Joseph Hospice- Vault broken- dead body inside

The old dead body was pushed down with a stick

The St Joseph Hospices working according to Christian theology or law of this land or otherwise?: How the pastor “father” Thomas could have been so adopted, accustomed and habituated to such dreadful acts of dealing with dead bodies is shocking, frightening and terrifying. How his mind and feelings have been so hardened to be numbed and thus, made such acts routine. The persons involved in such acts also appear without any perturb or worry, as if they are attending to some normal routine activities. The scary, creepy and bloodcurdling surroundings of the vaults, the pits and others make one to shudder, as if they see some Hollywood horror-terror movies of dead bodies and zombies. Therefore, the psyches of these people have to be analyzed, as it appears abnormal, aberrant and crooked.  According to Christian belief, the dead bodies have to be preserved, so that they would be raised on the last day of judgment or the second coming of Jesus Christ. But the Christian priests involved have not cared about such fundamental doctrine. The holy doctrines of crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, etc, have been intimately associated and imbibed with any true Christian and believer. Thus, these activities could not have taken place against the christian theology, dogma and doctrines followed. As otherwise, they have to explain explicitly, what principles they followed without any care for human-beings and the law of this land by committing such heinous crimes, but scotfree for obvious reasons.

St Joseph -dead bodies vaults.how they are decmposed-disposed

Why no action taken and the media and others have been so insensitive about the issues involved?: Having seen now both sides, from the affected, rescued and reported old people, the public and residents of the area, the officers of various visited groups, the media and the Christian representatives, can come to conclusion without any bias. The fact is that thousands have been dying there under suspicious circumstances. They are not keeping any account of the persons admitted, dead, cremated or buried and the left out disposed. The licence to run the old-age home, keeping such vaults, usage of them repeatedly without cleaning, and other details are lacking and not done also to satisfy the statutory and mandatory requirements and conditions. Having violated such provisions, no action has been taken for the last six years and now also. It is also intriguing to note that the sociologists, psychologists, social activists and others have been so insensitive, callous and thick-skinned with numbness, in spite of the news coming out. Their “secularism” could not be working here, just because, the Christians are involved. As human-beings are dealt with without sympathy violating law of this land, immediate action should be taken against them.

© Vedaprakash

 

24-02-2018

Human skeleton parts - rate fixed

[1] Indian Express, Questions over hospice with room for dead, By Express News Service  |   Published: 22nd February 2018 04:06 AM;  Last Updated: 22nd February 2018 04:06 AM

[2] http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2018/feb/22/questions-over-hospice-with-room-for-dead-1777033.html

[3] India Today, Government bans export of Humam skeletons, Indranil Banerjie, January 21. 2014 Updated 16:39 IST.

[4] https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/economy/story/19851130-government-bans-export-of-human-skeletons-802181-2014-01-21

[5] Scott Carney Science, Inside India’s underground trade in Human remains, 27-07-2011 12:00.

[6] https://www.wired.com/2007/11/ff-bones/

[7]Times of India, Nepal hub of skeleton export, TNN | Apr 25, 2007, 10:43 IST

[8] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/Nepal-hub-of-skeleton-export/articleshow/1953364.cms

St Joseph Hospice: a place for dying or dead people, what has been happening to dead bodies? (1)

February 24, 2018

St Joseph Hospice: a place for dying or dead people, what has been happening to dead bodies? (1)

Saint Joseph, Paleswaram

Shocking news coming out about St Joseph Hospices: Nowadays, about pedophile crimes, sexploitation and such other news have been read, heard and discussed at, but, now, this is about death, dead bodies, skeletons and bones. About over 70 kilometres from Chennai city, the St Joseph’s Hospice sprawls across the arid village of Palaswaram in Kancheepuram district. The vast campus serves as a destitute home for men and women. It was started with the claim of taking care of dying men and women found at different places, brought there and keep them till they die. After death, their bodies are kept in concrete vaults. Shocking allegation against an NGO named St. Joseph’s Hospice have emerged, which include beating sick inmates and using their dead bodies for harvesting bones[1]. Some reports have also alleged that it is also involved in harvesting organs of its inmates and selling it to other countries[2]. The hospice, which calls itself a ‘Home for Dying Destitute’, was founded by Father R. V. Thomas in 2011. The same Christian pastor is also running similar hospices in Dindigul and Paleshwaram. A hospice is a Christian equivalent of an Ashram where sick and destitute are supposed to be taken care of.

Dead bodies smuggled -enquiry-Thomas

What they – Joseph Hospice- claim[3]: Their website claims as follows: “Our first Hospice situated at Mettur Gate[4], near Kodai Road, in Dindigul District was started in 2006 and has now 325 dying destitute of which 140 are women and 185 men. Every week there is an average of 7 persons who die here in human dignity. Till Jan 2016, more than 1900 people have so far died here in peace. At the same time, last 12 years , more than 8000 people have been healed and restored and have gone back to their places of choice. We started a second Hospice not far from Chingleput[5], only 90 minutes drive away from Chennai airport in 2011. 16 acres of land was donated by a kind soul where 500 patients from the cities of Chennai, Pondichery, Vellore etc., can be accommodated. Situated 16kms.close to Vedanthangal, a world famous bird sanctuary, the second Hospice is a sanctuary for ill and homeless destitute who otherwise die on the pavements and gutters, uncared, unloved and unmourned. A third, small Hospice at Tambaram[6] near the Chennai airport was started as a collection centre in December 2014 where only about 30 patients are accommodated. When the traffic is a bit calm,during the wee hours of the morning, we bring them to our bigger second Hospice in batches of 6 to 8 patients. We are looking forward to starting similar holding Hospices in the North Chennai area and the city of Pondichery. Our good news is that the Salesians of Chennai Province has come forward to give us a 3.75 acre plot of land with a building near Vellore[7]. We hope to start a 4th Hospice there in April 2016 for about 150 dying destitute. These Hospices and a rehab centre for the blind and handicapped are run by the Trust called,”Light for the Blind India”. The CEO is Fr.Thomas. We have started a fourth hospice at Vellore with the help of the Salesians of Chennai Province who gave us a 3.75 acre plot of land with a building.

 Saint Joseph, Tambaram, Irumbiliyur

Help-cries from ambulance and two old people found with dead body: Tension prevailed near Uthiramerur in Kancheepuram district on 20-02-2018 Tuesday after public intercepted the tempo van of an NGO ferrying two elderly persons and the dead body of a destitute and claimed that the NGO was up to illegal activities[8]. However, police and revenue authorities who reached the scene found that the van belonged to a home, registered with the government, who take care of elderly people and bury the dead bodies of the elderly destitute who die at Government hospitals[9]. The government action came a day after [21-02-2018] a van belonging to elder care centre was found carrying a dead body with bags of vegetables along with two aged persons, in Salaivakkam in Kancheepuram on Tuesday 20-02-2018, afternoon[10]. Sources said the officials advised the management of the hospices to adopt age-old burial process for disposing the bodies than concrete vaults[11]. But the elder care centre managers were not ready to accept it because they felt vault was more cost-effective. The officials began to question Father Thomas, founder of the St. Joseph hospice, and the other officials of the old age home which went on for five hours[12]. The managers of the home admitted that it was mistake to transport the body with the vegetables and two aged people. “We have done nothing wrong. Our motive is to give shelter to the people who are being left alone, and those who are mentally ill and the people affected with diseases. We will provide them everything that they need and make them feel home,” claimed a staff[13].

St Joseph -dead bodies vaults

A multi-tier vault for storing corpses: Indian Express has given these details, “They were surprised to find that the hospice did not just take care of the destitute elderly, but also had a multi-tier vault for storing corpses[14]. The vaults appeared like bank lockers. After a certain number of years, the vaults were reused. While it is unclear if the hospice management obtained permission to build the vault, what raised concern among officials was the lack of monitoring on whose bodies were deposited there and how the remains were processed. The home’s licence expired a few months ago and its application for renewal has not yet been approved[15]. “We raised concern about the absence of supervision on how the home handles bodies. We don’t even know if they obtain death certificates before depositing the corpses in the vault,” said a health department official. While rules mandate that the remains in the vault be cleared only once in 13 years, local residents claimed the management had been clearing them every few months. A representative of the home said they were open to a probe”. But, nothing is known till date.

St Joseph ambulance- Polimer TV-3

News reports coming out based on videos etc: It has come under the scanner after a truck, dressed as an ambulance, was found to be ferrying a corpse, an old man and an old woman, along with vegetables, to the centre[16]. The incident came to light after a motorist traveling along the Salavakkam-Edayamputhur road heard the screams of an elderly woman, who called to him from inside the truck and asked him to save her[17]. Speaking to Thanthi TV, the elderly woman who was rescued, identified as Annamal from Tiruvallur district said that she had left her kin’s house after a fight with them, when she was picked up from Little Mount and brought to St Joseph’s Hospice’s Tambaram branch. “They took me away on Saturday or Sunday. I was in Little Mount. When I went inside, I saw that there were two dead bodies there. The other people who were there were very sick. After seeing that, I thought, I am well – why have they brought me here with the dead? I only wanted a hostel to stay, not an ashram like this,” Annamal said[18]. “I said, I don’t like it, I don’t like it, I don’t like it! I told them I won’t stay there. Every day I begged them, but I wasn’t allowed to go,” she added. The woman went on to say that she was examined by two doctors on Monday, who asked why she was being kept at the hospice when she was well.

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24-02-2018

Saint Joseph,oldage-Thomas and two

[1] News Today, Around 40-50 die every month at Uthiramerur, February 21, 2018

[2] https://www.newstodaynet.com/index.php/2018/02/21/around-40-50-elders-die-every-month-at-uthiramerur/

[3] http://www.stjosephshospices.com/web/index.php?r=site%2Fabout

[4] St Joseph’s Hospice, Mettur Gate PO, Kodai Road (via), Dindigul District, Tamilnadu, 624206; Mobile: +91­9360376678 / +91­9976211721 / +91­ 9655291511.

[5] St.Joseph’s Hospice, Paleswaram Village, Salavakkam (via)Uthirameroor (Tk),  Kancheepuram District, Tamilnadu,Pin:603107.Mobile: +91­9360376678/+91­9976211721 /9684307554

[6] St. Joseph’s Hospice, Arul nagar,Irumpuliyur, East Tambaram, Chennai ­59

Mobile: +91­9360376678,+91­9976211721,9655291511

[7] St. Joseph’s Hospice, 747 A,Ramanathapuram road,  Chithoor kootu road,  Thiruvalam post, Veloor district,Pin:632515;Mobile: +91­9360376678.

[8] DECCAN CHRONICLE. Suspicion triggers tension in Kancheepuram district, Published: Feb 21, 2018, 8:12 am IST; Updated: Feb 21, 2018, 8:12 am IST

[9] https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/210218/suspicion-triggers-tension-in-kancheepuram-district.html

[10] OpIndia, Tamil Nadu Christian NGO accused of harvesting bones and organs of the elderly, By OpIndia Staff, Posted on February 23, 2018

[11] http://www.opindia.com/2018/02/tamil-nadu-christian-ngo-accused-of-harvesting-bones-and-organs-of-the-elderly/

[12] DtNext, Officials inspect St Joseph Hospices, want to stop concrete vault burial system, Published: Feb 22,2018, 06:30 AM by Sam Augustine.

[13] https://www.dtnext.in/News/City/2018/02/22020643/1062730/Officials-inspect-St-Joseph-Hospices–want-to-stop-.vpf

[14] Indian Express, Questions over hospice with room for dead, By Express News Service  |   Published: 22nd February 2018 04:06 AM;  Last Updated: 22nd February 2018 04:06 AM

[15] http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2018/feb/22/questions-over-hospice-with-room-for-dead-1777033.html

[16] TheNewdMinute, Why were 2 elders and a corpse transported with veggies? TN hospice  under scanner, Manasa Rao, Friday February 23, 2018 17:19.

 

[17] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-were-2-elders-and-corpse-transported-veggiesorpse-tn-hospice-under-scanner-76918

[18] Thanthi TV, பிணம் கடத்தப்பட்ட சம்பவம்: “உயிர் பிச்சை தருமாறு கெஞ்சினேன்” – மீட்கப்பட்ட மூதாட்டி கண்ணீர் பேட்டி, Published on Feb 20, 2018; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljCPJuhTFo4

Cardinal, bishop and other priests involved in land and financial scandals in Kerala (1)

February 2, 2018

Cardinal, bishop and other priests involved in land and financial scandals in Kerala (1)

Cardinal George Alencherry with Pope

Rs 80 crores land sold for Rs 27.30 crore: Just like Vatican, the Indian Church has also been involved in many scandals from sex to money swindling and other activities. Particularly, from Kerala, the crimes related to the Church have been horrible from murder, sex and financial scams involving all types of priests, bishops and cardinals also. Pressure is mounting on Cardinal George Alencherry, head of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church based in Kerala, to resign after allegations that church land had been sold below market value in a deal that he had approved. Alencherry, 72, was ordained as a Cardinal, a priest of the highest rank in the Roman Catholic Church, by Pope Benedict XVI in February 2012. He is one of only five Cardinals in India. The deal in question concerns the sale of three acres of land in Kochi by the Ernakulam archdiocese in 2016 to repay a Rs 60-crore bank loan it had taken to build a medical college. The agent appointed by the church to conduct the deal had estimated the value of the land at Rs 27.30 crore, but the church has so far received only Rs 9.13 crore of that amount. However, priests and lay people critical of the action claim that the plot was actually worth at least Rs 80 crores[1].

Cardinal George Alencherry - V J Hyacinth complains to Pope

Cardinal can be subjected to legal action only with the permission of the Pope: Joseph Parecattil, a priest in the Ernakulam archdiocese, said that the Presbyteral Council of the Ernakulam archdiocese has decided to submit a formal request to the Pope to inquire into these financial dealings[2]. Ironically, in spite of financial scam, the Church could take action against cardinal, only if the Pope gives permission. Many do not understand the “State within state” working of church in India and elsewhere. The Presbyteral Council is a panel of 57 priests that looks after the archdiocese’s financial and administrative affairs. “This is the first-ever complaint from a Presbyteral Council in Kerala to the Pope requesting him to investigate financial irregularities,” said Parecattil. Another priest, who asked to remain anonymous, said Alencherry should step down if the Pope acts on the complaint. “He would have to quit to ensure free and fair investigation,” he added. Separately, the charitable organisation Mother Teresa Global Foundation has also sent a complaint to the Pope, urging him to remove the Cardinal from his post. “We represent the laity,” said VJ Hycinth, chairman of the foundation. “We pray to the Pope to take our complaint seriously.”

Cardinal George Alencherry - Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese

Murky land deals of the Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese of the Syro-Malabar Church: The six-member committee comprising priests and experts which examined the murky land deals of the Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese of the Syro-Malabar Church has recommended “legal action according to the law of the church and for violation of civil law” against the people responsible for the crisis created in the wake of the land transactions[3]. The report having 19 recommendations also called for an independent audit of the land and other transactions of the church by a reputed firm of chartered accountants[4]. “A complete assessment of all financial and land transactions of the Archdiocese could be done in a professional manner to sort out the present issues and to adopt safe and legally acceptable steps in all future transactions”.

Cardinal George Alencherry - Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese-Fr. Varghese Sabu

Forming committees to avoid legal proceedings: The Committee recommended legal action against Saju Varghese for the “recovery of the unpaid sale consideration pertaining to the property near Bharat Mata College, Thrikkakkara and also to recover the advance amount to Saju Varghese and others”. Another major recommendation called for immediate action to file income tax returns along with audited financial statements for the year ended March 31, 2017 to avoid a huge penalty and other penal provisions. The committee called for appointing a new finance officer with immediate effect “who is an expert in financial matters and has outstanding honesty”. The committee recommended collecting opinion and creative ideas from priests and lay leaders of the archdiocese at various levels to raise funds for the archdiocese to solve the crisis. Action should be taken to repay the loan liability in various banks to avoid a huge interest and recovery steps by banks, the committee said and pointed out that inter-trust transfer of funds were illegal and should not be promoted in future. Funds set apart for charity should not be diverted for any other purposes, it added.

Cardinal George Alencherry - Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese-priests

Cardinal George Alenchery, Major Archbishop of the Syro-Malabar Church, Msg Sebastian Vadakkumpadam and Finance Officer Fr Joshy Puthuva involved: Detailed financial investigation of the financial transactions of all other associated trusts under the archdiocese and external internal auditing by a reputed firm of chartered accountants on a regular basis in the archdiocese as well as major trusts were the other recommendations. Documentation of all canonical bodies should be precise and accurate and should stick to the standardized format. Fixed asset register should be maintained immediately to safeguard the precious properties and buildings of the archdiocese. Recommending the observation of the provisions of canon law and civil law in all future transactions especially by the finance office, the committee also called for an induction programme for members of the financial council. Establishment of vigilance mechanisms and mandatory regular internal auditing for all ecclesiastical institutions was the other key recommendation. The committee in its report has mainly blamed the failures of Cardinal George Alenchery, Major Archbishop of the Syro-Malabar Church, Msg Sebastian Vadakkumpadam and Finance Officer Fr Joshy Puthuva for the land deals and the scandal associated with the deals.

Cardinal George Alencherry - Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese-Rani

Cardinal George Alencherry was involved “in the alienation and purchase of lands by the archdiocese”: The report by a committee of experts appointed by the Syro-Malabar Archdiocese of Ernakulam-Angamaly and headed by Fr Benny  Maramparampil to probe a series of land sales and purchase by the archdiocesan authorities says that the Major Archbishop Cardinal George Alencherry was involved “in the alienation and purchase of lands by the archdiocese” during the period between April 2015 and November 2017[5]. “It was with his knowledge and consent that the land was purchased at Mattoor. The Major Archbishop was directly involved in alienating all the five plots, which were sold into 36 plots”, the report said[6]. The report was presented before the Presbyteral Council (council of priests) of the archdiocese here on Tuesday (29-01-2018). A copy of the report was seen by The Hindu. The report relates to a series of land deals starting with the purchase of around 23 acres in Mattoor for a proposed medical college. This was followed by the sale of around 3 acres near Kochi in which the archdiocese had not received the entire sale proceeds. Since the archdiocese could not meet its loan repayment, it was decided that more than 3 acres in different places near Kochi owned by the archdiocese would be sold to repay the loan. The loan was taken to buy the land in Mattoor.

 

Deals violated the relevant provisions of the Canon Law and caused a financial loss: These deals snowballed into a major financial scandal with the council of priests raising the problem of the archdiocese not getting all of the sale proceeds, which amounted to ₹27.15 crore. The value of the plots sold shown in the land deed was ₹13.51 crore. Of this, the archdiocese received only ₹9.13 crore. “It is painful to note that at the time of execution of the sale deeds, the Major Archbishop has not ensured the receipt of money to the archdiocese”, the report said. It also said that the purchase of plots at Kottappady near Kothamangalam and near Devikulam was known only to the Archbishop and senior functionaries Fathers Sebastian Vadakkumpadan and Joshy Puthuva. The purchase was not discussed with or disclosed to the curia, the high-level decision making body of the archdiocese nor was it discussed with the Auxiliary Bishops. The report also says that even though the archdiocese received ₹9.13 crore from the land sale, no amount had been remitted into the loan account. These deals violated the relevant provisions of the Canon Law and caused a financial loss, the report said.

Cardinal George Alencherry - Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese-priests group

Vested group tries to cover up: As usual, as “The Hindu” reported that, a meeting of the newly elected pastoral council would be convened only after the meeting where the panel report will be discussed[7].  In the wake of the decision, the meeting of the pastoral council scheduled to be held on February 10, 2018 has been postponed to another date.  The Cardinal also informed the council the decision of the Syro Malabar Bishops’ Synod asking the Cardinal to delegate the day- to-day administration of the archdiocese to auxiliary bishops. The council condemned burning of Sathyadeepam weekly and attempts to prevent a meeting convened to discuss the issues at Subodhana Pastoral Centre, Angamaly, last Sunday (21-01-2018), by a section of the laity[8].      Presbyteral council secretary Fr Kuriakose Mundadan made it clear that the issue was related to the administration of the Archdiocese of Ernakulam and Angamaly and not related to the liturgy in any way.   He said social media posts and media reports blaming and insulting the Cardinal, auxiliary bishops and priests  were baseless. ‘’Such campaigns are carried out by people with vested interests,’’ Fr Mundadan said.

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02-02-2018

Cardinal George Alencherry - Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese-2

[1] Scroll.in, Head of Kerala’s Syro-Malabar Catholic Church urged to quit amidst accusations of corrupt land deal, by  TA Ameerudheen, Published Jan 08, 2018 · 06:30 am

[2] https://scroll.in/article/864015/head-of-keralas-syro-malabar-catholic-church-urged-to-quit-amidst-accusations-of-corrupt-land-deal

[3] Deccan Chronicle, Syro-Malabar Church panel seeks sanctification, Published: Feb 1, 2018, 6:52 am IST; Updated: Feb 1, 2018, 6:52 am IST.

[4] https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/010218/syro-malabar-church-panel-seeks-sanctification.html

[5] The Hindu, Report of experts points finger at Major Archbishop, KOCHI, JANUARY 30, 2018 22:35 IST; UPDATED: JANUARY 30, 2018 22:35 IST

[6] http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Kochi/report-of-experts-points-finger-at-major-archbishop/article22597874.ece

 

[7] Express News Service, Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese to issue circular on land deal, Published: 31st January 2018 01:23 AM, Last Updated: 31st January 2018 03:59 AM

[8] http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/jan/31/ernakulam-angamaly-archdiocese-to-issue-circular-on-land-deal-1765856.html

Didde Ebenezer, pastor sexploits women from 2015 onwards – Victims come out, complaint filed, but escaped, secular media, women activists and tolerant groups keep quite!

October 20, 2017

Didde Ebenezer, pastor sexploits women from 2015 onwards – Victims come out, complaint filed, but escaped, secular media, women activists and tolerant groups keep quite!

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, Tadepalligudem mandal

The sexual crimes of Christian clergy in India: In India, the sexploitation of Christian priests have been increasing, alarming and nauseating, but, the media has been callously silent and indifferent. All sorts of sex violations, in fact leading murders and other serious crimes, have been reported, but, only few booked, adjudicated and jailed, whereas, most of others have been roaming with their frocks of different colours.  About Ram Rahim, the media blared, though, he has been a secular sexploiter. Had he been Hindu, the situation be different. After him, now comes Didde Ebenezer from Andhra. He has been virtually raping women for the last two years. Though Telugu media and local people have exposed, he has been roaming unscathed. The influence, he has with church or politics is inexplicable and not known.

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, women commission chief

On Deepavali day, complaint lodged by AP Women’s Commission chairperson: Didde Ebenezer has been evidently notorious and the victims exposed him. Expressing concern over the way a pastor allegedly subjected young women to sexual exploitation, AP Women’s Commission chairperson Nannapaneni Rajakumari, during her visit to Jagannadhapuram village of Tadepalligudem mandal in West Godavari on 18-10-2017 [Wednesday], instructed the police to arrest him and rescue four women reportedly confined by him[1]. Several women narrated to Ms Rajakumari how they were victimised by pastor Didde Ebenezer under the guise of running a Church at Jagannadhapuram[2]. “He would start by asking us to do simple things like giving him a massage, and then move his way up to more unspeakable actions. He would say that we have to follow whatever he says, or else something evil would befall us, no matter how disgusting his demand is,” a victim told media persons. Another victim alleged that the pastor was organise ‘special prayers’ and make women stand in the nude, in candle light. They also claimed that four women were under confinement with the pastor at present. The locals also alleged that the pastor’s male relatives also indulged in acts with women in the village. In other words, mass sex exploitation has been going in the name of god, church and divine activities.

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, Tadepalligudem mandal- TV9 video

Since 2015, Didde Ebenezer has been raping women: The victims informed the chairperson that the alleged misbehaviour of the pastor with young women was exposed in 2015 and a police case was booked. He has been exploiting women assuring them to make them to talk with God directly. However, for such divine exigency, certain rituals had to be followed, he insisted and explained to convince them. The poor women fell to his assurance and desire to talk with God agreed to be with him. Initially, he used to request favours like messaging his legs, hands, head and so on. Then, he used remove his shirt and asked them to message his back and front. In this way, indirectly, he induced them to develop instinct to have sex with him. Thus, he has been exploiting women regularly. In the house, where he was reportedly carried on such activities, used “Nirodh” packets were also found. Even after complaining to police, the women refused to return with parents. For this, one doctor explained that the women were mesmerized through some acts, so that they wanted to be with him only[3]. Moreover, they might have been drugged also, though he could not tell with confirmation, as such condition could be determined, only after testing. However, Ebenezer has been exploiting the women psychologically and physically.

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, Tadepalligudem mandal- Nirodh recovered

Nude prayers conducted with candle lit: The police made enquiries at the houses of the victims and others. According to the victims, the pastor was exposed in 2015 and a police case was booked. The man, however, reportedly managed to get the case struck off in a local court with his influence, they alleged. In one case, he promised to marry a victim, but later refused. He tried to settle with her in a different manner. This was revealed by her narration to TV9 channel[4]. Later, he shifted his accommodation to Madhuru village to avoid trouble at Jagannadhapuram village. This is also evidently to avoid the legal implications of jurisdiction and all. The victims said that the pastor was targeting good looking young women and was even organising candle-lit prayers with the women in the nude[5]. The Tamil media also carried the story[6]. Obviously, it has been picked up from Deccan Herald[7]. Though, the media has not explained the significance of “nude worship”, it is detailed below in the Chriatian context.  They informed her that four women were under confinement with the pastor at present.

Pastor Didde Ebenezer,victim- modus operandi-TV9 video

Victims explained how they were sexploited: Shocked at the ordeal of the women victims, Ms Rajakumari called up West Godavari SP M. Ravi Prakash and instructed him to arrest the pastor and get the four women released and handed over to the Women’s Commission. “We will immediately take him into custody, and free the women who are allegedly under confinement. We all had tears in our eyes when we heard the victims speak. This is not a normal incident. He has played with people’s life in a holy place like a church. We will prosecute him,” Rajakumari told locals, after the public meeting[8]. West Godavari Joint Collector said[9], “The allegations are shocking. We will ensure that he loses the title of ‘pastor’ and take strict action against him. We will find all the people responsible for the incident and assure action against all of them.” Later, she assured the women that she would fight on the issue until all the victims get justice. She said that as Chief Minister N. Chandrababu Naidu was on a foreign tour, she would take it up to his notice to take stern action against the erring pastor after his return to the state.

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, victim complains - many-TV9 video

Why Andhra infested with Christian sexploitation?: Meanwhile, a group of supporters of the pastor raised slogans in his favour claiming that he is a good person. They refuted the charges against him as fabricated. Using the church as his shield Andhra Pradesh pastor Didde Ebenezer committed a lot of crimes. Chief among them being sexually exploiting young girls and women of his parish, another newspaper pointed out[10]. It added that[11]Earlier in September, there was another case of pastor abuse. The Renigunta rural police arrested Pastor Panneer Selvam, 54, for abusing a  minor near his house and allegedly forced himself on her.” That is why Andhra has been infested with the Christian sexploitation for many years has to be probed. Coming to Ebenezer, He does much publicity for himself and claims that[12] “he cares for HIV/AIDS through the social media Team members: Pastor.D.Ebenezer Didde, somebody”! So none knows that “nobody”. Evidently, he must have been wealthy enough to cover up everything and everybody to escape from the complaints and court proceedings.

Nude worship allowed in Christianity - Mail online

Why Nude worship in Church and how it is allowed?: In 21st century, one should ask as to how the nude worship is allowed in church and the Christians approve it. It is evident that it is allowed in USA under the guise of theology. Pastor Allen Parker, the leader of White Tail Chapel in the town of Southampton, said he came to the decision to allow naked worship after concluding the clothing requirements of other churches were overly ‘pretentious’, and decided his own flock should be free to forgo such materialism if they desire[13]. He believes he is in good company too, claiming many of the most important moments in the Bible happened while the protagonists were nude, including Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection[14]. Speaking to CNN, Parker said: ‘When he [Jesus] was born he was naked, when he was crucified he was naked and when he arose he left his clothes in the tomb and he was naked.’ ‘If God made us that way, how can that be wrong?’ he added.

Nude worship allowed in Christianity - theology

Nudity started from Genesis and hence Christians can indulge in nude worship: Parker is believed to have drawn at least some of his opinions on nudity from the book of Genesis, in which Adam and Eve were originally described as ‘both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed’. It was only after sinfully eating forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge that Adam and Even are said to have seen their nudity as shameful, at which point they sowed fig leaves into loincloths. Although the church allows worshipers to attend services fully naked, many have decided they would rather continue to attend fully clothed, particuarly when in mid-winter, while others opt to just reveal their breasts or genitals. The idea is that nudity is ‘the great equaliser’, reminding all those gathered in the church that they are simple human beings and that, beneath any personal wealth or glamorous outward appearance, they are all more of less the same beneath the clothing. ‘There’s not a feeling that you have to be better than one another, physically. We’re humans, we have scars, we have what we have. It’s learning to love and accept that,’ Parker says.

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, Tadepalligudem mandal- Police enquiry

Christian Nude worship or mass sex exploitation or group sex – what has been going on?: But, how in India it is allowed is a question. In Karnataka, when women were practicing exclusively such worship without any controversy, the modernized persons made it controversy and banned it[15]. Here, ironically, the Christians not only tacitly accepting, but also justifying indirectly However, the sexploitation of many women nearly 20 as reported by the Telugu media by Ebenezer has been monstrous, gruesome and grotesque and cannot be allowed on any account. Strangely, all the liberals and torch bearers who give sermon on toleration and all are keeping quite. None could imagine that they do not read this news, as this has been going on for three years.

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20-10-2017

Pastor Didde Ebenezer, victim complains - many-TV9 video

[1] DECCAN CHRONICLE. Rajahmundry: Arrest pastor for abusing girls, Published Oct 19, 2017, 6:32 am IST; UpdatedOct 19, 2017, 6:32 am IST.

[2] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/crime/191017/rajahmundry-arrest-pastor-for-abusing-girls.html

[3] Rapist Pastor || Victims demands stringent action || TV9 Effect, for details, see at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkhL41mu3d8

[4] AP Pastor’s dirty secrets exposed || TV9 Special Focus, For details, see at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNE4bkt6B44

[5] Church Pastor sexual harassment on Women at West Godavari | CVR News, for details se at:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkWfPFiwQZ8

[6] தினகரன், ஆந்திர மாநிலத்தில் பரபரப்பு நிர்வாண பிரார்த்தனை செய்தால் கடவுள் ஏற்பார் என பாலியல் தொல்லை, 2017-10-20@ 00:59:03.

[7] http://www.dinakaran.com/News_Detail.asp?Nid=344197

[8] TheNewsMinute, Women tell tales of abuse by village church pastor to Andhra women’’s commission chief, Thursday, October 19, 2017. 09.16 IST.

[9] http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/women-tell-tales-abuse-village-church-pastor-andhra-womens-commission-chief-70211

[10] Asianet-newsable, Andhra pastor sexually abused women in the name of church, By Team Asianet Newsable | 01:47 PM October 19, 2017.

[11] http://newsable.asianetnews.com/andhra-pradesh/andhra-pastor-sexually-abused-women-in-the-name-of-evil-church

[12] https://in.linkedin.com/in/pastor-d-ebenezer-didde-5796a414

[13] Mail.online, ‘And they were naked – and not ashamed’: Church allows nude worship, by John Hall, Published: 09:34 BST, 11 Feb.2014, updated: 13.46 BST, March 6, 2016.

[14] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556548/And-naked-not-ashamed-Church-allows-nude-worship.html</p>

[15]The Hindu,  Nude worship banned, By Our Special Correspondent, Wednesday, Mar 05, 2003

SHIMOGA March 4. The Deputy Commissioner and District Magistrate, Tushar Girinath, has imposed ban orders in connection with the annual jatra of Renukamba at Chandragutti in Sorab taluk. The jatra is scheduled to be held from March 9 to 14. The ban has been imposed to prevent “bettale seve” (worship in the nude). The order bans the congregation of people during the jatra within a radius of 5 km. of the temple under the provisions of the Section 35 of the Karnataka Police Act. Mr. Girinath has allowed the performance of rites during the jatra. He has passed an order banning sale of liquor during the jatra time in a radius of 5 km. of the temple. The Chandragutti jatra was marred in 1986 when enthusiastic activists tried to stop the devotees from worshipping in the nude. The angry devotees retaliated. In the melee, volunteers and police personnel were attacked and paraded naked.

http://www.thehindu.com/2003/03/05/stories/2003030501410400.htm

V. Shanmuganathan: Was he a victim, scapegoat sacrificed for wrong calculations ? (3)

January 30, 2017

V. Shanmuganathan: Was he a victim, scapegoat sacrificed for wrong calculations ? (3)

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Anti-BJP groups not properly identified, negotiated and satisfied: TUR leader Angela Rngad said while adding, “We want to show that the BJP’s anti people policies will not be tolerated.” Stating that the protest is also to show all that the BJP’s hate campaigns will not be accepted in the state, she alleged that the party, through the Ghar Wapsi and policies of grabbing of farmers’ lands, the make in India campaign are all efforts to enslave every citizens of country. Referring to the ban on beef and atrocities against the minority, Rngad accused the BJP of being a party that actually attacks the rights of people like attacking the lifestyle, food culture and habits and way of dressing. KNU general secretary S Diengdoh said that this indifferent attitude of the BJP against the minorities including Christians is totally undemocratic while adding that it is against the Constitution of India. HNPF president R Rani questioned why these issues have cropped up only after the BJP was voted to power. Here only, that the BJP had not properly understood the groups was revealed, to cite an example based on the media reports. He said, “We suspect that this is being instigated and we demand that the BJP central leadership respects all religious communities.” It is a futile exercise to have any negotiation with these separatist groups, as they have been carrying out their activities since independence supported by the US, Chinese and Pakistani forces with all facilities, where the BJP is not a match for them.

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Shanmuganathan’s experiments with Christianity, Christians and Christmas (2015-16): His sudden praising of Christianity, Christians, their services were quite amusing, as he hid not have any experience in “inter religious dialogue”. Some of the Tamilnadu ideologists had gone there enjoying time, but, obviously misled them with their half-baked ideas and imagined details. Whenever, he visited Tamilnadu and Chennai, a coterie never allowed other friends known to him to approach him. This was openly revealed during the facilitation programme organized and Chennai. Because of his dual role here and there, he was rather confused with the inputs stuffed by the fellow-ideologists. The Church was so delighted to record that[1], “The Christmas celebration this year has got more meaningful since the head of the state the governor of Meghalaya Mr  V. Shanmuganathan himself attended  in the Christmas service  at Laitumkhrah Presbyterian Church, Shillong on 25th December, 2016”.  Of course, he had been so considerate with the Christians since 2015.  He hosted Christmas at Rajbhawan with all fanfare. He gave discourse from biblical narratives, just like a pastor / priest from the pulpit. One website[2] characteristically as “Meghalaya Governor, V. Shanmuganathan while sharing inspirational stories said that churches have shown compassion and dedication towards the service of mankind”. The Presbyterian Church was so happy, as he participated the services with Bible in his hands[3]. Whether, he was experimenting with the different denominations, or dialoging in theology or otherwise, only God knows, as some of the websites started disappearing[4].

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Inaugurated and praised Mother Teresa (September 2016): Meghalaya hosted a 4-day film festival titled ‘Mother Teresa International Film Festival (MTIFF)’ based on the life and teachings of noble laureate – Mother Teresa from September 6 to 9, 2016 in Shillong[5]. Addressing the inaugural function, the Governor stated that Mother Teresa represents the message of love, peace, enduring strength, hope and service to the world at large[6]. Underlining that understanding the pain of others is no easy a task, the Governor stated that Mother Teresa understood the pain of acute poverty. “She served the destitute, lepers, abandoned children, old people, the poorest of the poor and the downtrodden. Because she understood their pain, she was a solace, a helping hand and a source of comfort to them” he further stated. Showing his admiration for Mother Teresa for identifying herself with her love for the Almighty, he said that in a world where people identify themselves by the power they hold, or the money they possess, what truly marks Mother Teresa’s greatness is her identification of herself with her love of God. Applauding the great works and selfless services of Mother Theresa’s followers he further stated that their work must extend to all places. In August, when there was a photo of Teresa was there in the Spiritual Fair pur up by ASI, a huge cry was made and it was removed. However, they might not be knowing abut this!

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Opposition to ADSPA, Left mobilization and BJP governor in isolation: In a recent Order of the High Court of Meghalaya[7] dated 2.11.2015 passed in Writ Petition (C) No. 127 of 2015, the High Court of Meghalaya has made a suo motu suggestion to the Central Government for the imposition of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act, 1958, in the Garo Hills area of Meghalaya[8]. “It is shocking and deeply disturbing that a draconian law like the AFSPA is being sought to be imposed through a judicial order. There have been protests against this order in the Garo Hills area and in Shillong. What follows is a statement which carries objections to this order endorsed by more than 60 concerned citizens, from various parts of India – some whom are well respected and accomplished individuals in their fields, like law, academia, journalism, films, bureaucracy and activism[9]. As usual in letter supporting the radicals signed by the eminent, elite and secularists appeared in the media. Thus, when Shanmuganathan came, it was not known as to whether he was understanding the problems and issues involved there in and around Meghalaya.

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Tribal youth festivals etc., have been a trap for him?: Of late, he was moving with different tribal groups and participating in their festivals. He participated the Wangala festival. Wangala is the festival of the Achiks (Garos), the post harvest festival where the harvest reaped is celebrated with thanks giving to the Gods ‘Misi Saljong’ and ‘Mima Kiri Rokkime’, the Gods of the fields and the paddy[10]. For the Achiks (Garos) the agrarian activities is not only physical labour but a spiritual journey as well which culminates in joy at the Wangala Festival.  Thus, with joy in their hearts and sprint in their feet, they perform the Wangala Dance which is actually a synchronized movement of symbolic nature which co – ordinates with the drum beats. The Wangala dance is therefore a story of the Garos in rhythm. The word ‘wanna’ refers to dance and merry making and ‘gala’ refers to offering in thanksgiving. Thus, the word ‘Wangala’ means the dance of ‘Thanksgiving’[11]. Thus, he went on attending many tribal festivals[12]. He compared Wangala with Pongal. In any case, he could have restricted his program-attending agenda carefully. At every level, the intriguing point is who was the PA or advisor to him, when he was discharging his official duties. Definitely, that person must have been known to him or RSS person. Then, he must have gone into all details in the context of Meghalaya and NE complexities.

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Was he a victim, scapegoat sacrificed for wrong calculations?: He has been a genuine worker without any selfishness. As already mentioned with his hard-work he has come up. Now, the media comes out with stories that “Shanmuganathan belongs to Saiva Pillamar community (a forward community)” and thus had / have difference with Brahmin-friends and so on[13]. This is mischievous, as RSSwalas never talked in terms of caste, in any context. Thus, the “Shanmuganathan-Ganesan” variance as raised by “The Wire”can be ignored in the context[14]. Then come the remarks of RSS media incharge – Sadagopan. “But the state unit of the RSS has a different take on this issue”, as noted by the Wire, picking from “The Hindu”, at least judging by their initial reaction to Shanmuganathan’s resignation[15]. “It is an unfortunate incident… A person occupying a high position should be doubly careful to avoid such allegations, as he represents an organisation such as the RSS and the BJP,” said N. Sadagopan, the sangh’s state media coordinator, in an interview to The Hindu[16]. His response has been in fact, unfortunate, intriguing, shocking and irresponsible too, as how he could have come out with such words. Instead of analyzing the issue, one should not try to show off himself indulging in such remarks. As explained above, the different complexities, intricacies and complications involved, Shanmuganathan has done excellent work, in spite of his health. He had an open heart surgery and in soite of such condition, he was performing his duties relentlessly. He has lamented many times that though he had many friends in Chennai, none visited him when he was admitted in the hospital for open-heart surgery. In fact, he pained that nonde came to sign the forms for the conduct of the operation. Of course, it went on well. In fact, he Unfortunately, as pointed out elsewhere, the Tamil and Tamilnadu friends have not analyzed the NE complex issues, Meghalya tribal politics, Congress-anti-national nexus acting against him and informed him. Perhaps, they have not been trained to understand, though, they have been making trips to NE under different banners like ABVP, Vidhya Bharati and so on. Therefore, the Sangh Parivar should assess, reassess and re-examine the involved complicated issues and political gameplans and respond accordingly. They should be trained in the NE affairs with national and international agendas, as they have many ramifications. As for as Shanmuganathan is concerned, his good deeds would liberate from his temporary problem. May God shower his blessings!

 

© Vedaprakash

30-01-2017

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[1] http://spnewsagency.com/leit-jingiaseng-christmas-u-lat-ka-jylla-v-shanmuganathan-ha-iing-mane-presbyterian/

[2] http://thenortheasttoday.com/in-pictures-pre-christmas-celebration-held-at-raj-bhavan-in-shillong/

[3] http://spnewsagency.com/meghalaya-governor-mr-v-shanmuganathan-attended-christmas-service-at-presbyterian-church/

[4] http://www.e-pao.net/epSubPageExtractor.asp?src=news_section.Press_Release.Press_Release_2015.V_Shanmuganathan_Governor_Christmas_Message_20151226

[5] http://meghalayatimes.info/index.php/front-page/35466-meghalaya-to-host-international-film-festival-on-mother-teresa

[6] Nelive, Meghalaya: Mother Teresa International film festival gets underway in city, Sep 06, 2016 17:47, Shillong.

[7] Order of the High Court of Meghalaya dated 2.11.2015 passed in Writ Petition (C) No. 127 of 2015.

[8] THMA U RANGLI JUKI (TUR), Implications of Meghalaya high court’s suggestion to impose afspa in garo hills, NOVEMBER 26, 2015

http://raiot.in/implications-of-meghalaya-high-courts-suggestion-to-impose-afspa-in-garo-hills/

[9] http://raiot.in/implications-of-meghalaya-high-courts-suggestion-to-impose-afspa-in-garo-hills/

[10] http://meghalayatimes.info/index.php/front-page/36478-governor-adds-glitz-to-wangala-celebrations

[11] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/honourable-governor-attended-wangala-festival-11th-v-shanmuganathan

[12] http://meghalayatimes.info/index.php/front-page/36468-prelude-to-39th-hundred-drums-wangala-festival-begins

[13] The Wire, BJP Uses ‘Anti-Conversion’ Card to Defend Ex-Meghalaya Governor V. Shanmuganathan, BY R. RAMASUBRAMANIAN ON 29/01/2017

[14] https://thewire.in/103851/bjp-uses-anti-conversion-card-to-shield-ex-meghalaya-governor-v-shanmuganathan/

[15] The Hindu, Shanmuganathan’s exit shocks RSS, B. Kolappan, CHENNAI: JANUARY 28, 2017 00:00 IST; UPDATED: JANUARY 28, 2017 03:42 IST

[16] http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/Shanmuganathan%E2%80%99s-exit-shocks-RSS/article17106406.ece

Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications

November 5, 2012

Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications

Iwrote this five years back anticipitating the Chritian propaganda unleashed through cyber-space with the blessings of MNCs. With the LPG, they target Indian society easily with their aggressive marketing capabilities using all methods without any code of ethics or morality. Considering the relevancy and context, I post this here without any change salvaging from Internet.

 Cyber-mission on war-path to attack India – the First Crusade may start at any time: On 30th July, 2007, John Dyal was interviewed by the NDTV news reader and repeatedly asked about the Catholic Cyber Conversion adopted and adapted recently. Reacting to this, vigorously and crazily John Dyal started justifying it. When persisted how religion could be brought to the virtual world, he blurted out that “Why not” – Hindus say that the entire world is Maya. Then, it was shown as if the TV crew get opinion of Delhi-students with Christian, half-Christian-half-Hindu and Hindu names accepting and supporting such Cyber-conversion, evidently without understanding the implications. Thus, it appears that Vatican has incorporated Cyber-mission in its agenda and there would be more Roberto de Nobilis, Beschis, Bede Griffiths, Hans Staffners, Clooneys, and so on with laptops with wireless internet connections. Of course, they started already.

 Definition of Cyber-crusade / Holy-War / Jihad: John Edmiston discussed about, “Missions in Cyberspace: The Strategic Front-Line Use Of The Internet In Missions“, in www.cybermissions.org. He claims: “One of these means is the use of theInternet. And one of the most exhilarating frontiers of mission today is cyber-missions; the frontline use of IT to evangelize and disciple the nations. In this article we will keep the focus on cross-cultural mission web sites and strategic approaches to ministry online such as web-evangelism, email discipleship, web-based TEE and icafes as a church-planting strategy. This paper will review the potential, the actual uses and the successful implementation of Internet-based missionary outreach and put the case for missionary societies to have an Internet evangelism department headed by a Field Director – Cyberspace. I have intentionally excluded the traditional uses of computing in missions or the use of the Internet for mono-cultural ministry as this has already been extensively reviewed elsewhere (for instance in the work of Leonard Sweet)” [the key words are given in colour].

 Hindus untochables or experts in Cyber-religion? Can Hindus match for this? Are they prepared to take? Yes, definitely, Hindus are capable considering the IT workers and experts in the field. But, the Christians think differently, if all these Hindu guys and girls are converted, what would happen to Hindu religion? Yes, with single stroke, they can strategically enslave the Cyber-untochables and John Daya & Co., would start fighting for them also starting a Cyber-Dalit Liberation Front, All India Cyber-SC-ST Federation for which D’Souza, Udit Raj and others  might be President, Secretary and so on sending reports to Bush, Bill Gates, Vatican, UN and what not.

 They give figures like this: Online Language Populations (September 2002): 

English 36.5%;Chinese 10.9%,

Japanese 9.7%,

Spanish 7.2%,

German 6.7%,

Korean 4.5%,
Italian 3.8%,
French 3.5%,Portuguese 3.0%,

Russian 2.9%,

Dutch 2.0% (Source: Global Reach)

We should have corresponding figures for users in Hindi, Tamil and other languages.The English includes, Hindu users also.

 

Warning – the anti-Hindu groups would gang together: Of course, they tie-up with Muslims, secularists, atheists, anti-Hindu groups etc., or they themselves create such web-missions with such names and attack Hindus by all means. Then, they would have MOU with non-Catholic evangelists of US and EURO countries with the respective Presidents agreeing with the Pope, the Head of Vatican City-State. As the anti-Hindu groups irrespective of their ideologies, gang together on stages in every meeting, seminar or conference, so also they join to attack.

 

The treatment of Hindu-men under Christian cyber-masters / employers: As the employers are Christians, they have already started pressure on Hindu IT workers and experts. Slowly, it would turn in different direction. When one young Indian software engineer went to US and working there, his fellow Americans used to ask him about the “sandal paste mark” on his forehead etc. Though, he used to give general explanation for their understanding, they used to argue with religious vigor. After some days, one of Americans gave him a Bible, asked to him to read and come for discussion. This is very similar to what has been happening in gulf-countries, where the sheik-masters used to try with Hindu-professionals.

 The treatment of Hindu-girs and women under Christian cyber-masters / employers: With Hindu girls and women, they behave differently. Starting with commenting on their mode of dress, colour etc., slowly, they praise about their beauty and so on. Of course, the Supreme Court judgment and direction about the treatment of women at work places applicable in India would not be applicable there and we do not know as to whether any equivalent Act, Rules or provisions are to check such “women teasing” [I do not want to use eve teasing, as they might take it as a right. Yes, as Jehovah teased Eve, the fundamentalist, fanatic Christians could think that it is their right to tease women following their Commandment of God].

 Infiltration into, manipulation of and hacking Internet groups: Some Hindu experts and professionals have been successful enough to bring out facts about Indian history, culture, tradition, heritage and civilization in internet. Reading such websites, many educated and learned students, scholars and even professors have been convinced about the logic and facts presented. After all, none could say other than what one generally accept to say “2 + 2 = 4”. Of course, mathematician experts, number theorists and analysts may disagree, that is healthy, intellectual and highly useful for humanity.

 Be careful about Carcinogenic Cyber Christians: Assessing the success or rather the impact, the Cyber-missions may all out to attack. So they start infiltrated with their cyber-expertise. As virus has been there affecting humanity, it has been there here also and we see the results. So we have to be careful about Carcinogenic Cyber Christians, who may be otherwise known as respectfully hackers and so on. The conversion of Indian civilization to Hindu civilization might be the reason for such cyber-invasion and infiltration.

 Hindus should not be just satisfied with Virtual pujas, Bajans, philosophy etc: Now, many Hindus are interested in Computers, Internet etc., because, they get wonderful-colourful pictures of Gods and Goddesses, Bajan-downloads, virtual pujas with all paraphernalia and so on.

 Of course, there are inter-religious skirmishes, philosophical debates with arrogance as usual, “I am modest treading middle-path or secular” type discussions. Here, over-zealous, pride and arrogant postings should be avoided, as the opponents may use such arguments against Hindus.

 Instead, they can discuss and debate about the rites, rituals and ceremonies conducted by them in different countries, how they differ, why divergence, why such differences are not made to India-criticizing scholars, etc., would be worthwhile.

 Hindus may get many e-mails regularly bombarding them to accept Christ for redemption. Of course from the desperate fundamentalist-fanatic categories, they may get threatening mails like “If you do not accept, you will go to hell” and so on. Of course, Hindus may get pornography also along with Jesus Christ or the Word of God with Satanic temptation! [I am not writing this with any wrong impression on Christians, with the past experience with Christians. My friends and I received hundreds of such letters, pamphlets and books from Christians, when Christian issues were discussed in Indian Express and other journals]. As time and space change, the tactics change but old-habits may not change.

 They may post some issues and divert or lead them to ticklish issues resulting in controversies. They may rehash the same old “Aryan-Dravidian”, anti-Brahmin like stuff. They may make personal attacks as a last resort. Or worst, they would accuse Hindus as “Hindutva-wadis”, “Saffron brigade”, “Hindu fundamentalists”, “Sanga parivar” and so on. Anyway, truth triumphs always.

 That is why I use to say often, we have to identify the Hindu-baiters, Hindu-enemies and Hindu-betrayers, expose them to all and treat them as such, as Hindu society cannot and could not produce or have such elements.

 Oh Hindus be ready.

kkVedaprakash <vedamvedaprakash@…>
To: hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:22:30 PM
Subject: [hc] Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications.

The so-called 300 / 3000 Ramayanas: The Dravidian propaganda

March 6, 2012

The so-called 300 / 3000 Ramayanas: The Dravidian propaganda

 By Sri Vedaprakash, March 16, 2008
 
Note: This topic is again and again brought to the notice of the readers. However, the atheists, the Dravidian propagandists, Communists, Christians and Muslims hiding under such banners again and again rake up the issue without reading Ramayana. Unfortunately, they even do not read what these Ramanujan, Paukla and others have written. Yet, they go on rehash the stuff. Therefore, I have to point out their hollowness to plant such mischievous postings appearing then and there.
Ramayana once again[1]!:Ever since the Sethu-Samuthram controversy has cropped up, the Dravidian ideologists, Karu’s Court Historians[2] and others ganged up together circulating the old-stories as authentic histories. Of course, the propaganda carried on by this hysterical gang has parallel only in Hitler’s camp. Of course, any reader can note it is the Black Parivar[3] and the Red Parivar[4] would very often take the Hitler-stick to beat others, but they do not realize that they have been following only Hitler. Coming to the point, now their main attack has been against Rama and Ramayana and therefore, the Karu’s Court historians started digging up old polemical writings, scurrilous pamphlets and anti-Hindu literature to serve their perverted purpose.

The “Viduthalai” [5] (March 14th and 13th dated), the DK-mouth piece, but with the blessings of Karu has brought out one brief of A. K. Ramanujam’s paper “Three Hundred Ramayanas”. T. R. Balu has made a visit and met Karu on 14th. Therefore, the coincidence can be noted and there would be raking up the issue again. The Communist super intelligent leaders have also started the nonsensical blabbering that Ramayana is myth and so on.

The Dravidian Love for Paula Richman: Recently, the Dravidian protagonists have again started their blasphemy against Sri Rama under the guise of historical research, analytical wisdom, Aryan-Dravidian race hypotheses[6] , their (Aryan-Dravidian) continuous struggle-for- ever in India and other ideologies. Incidentally, now, one way or the other, as they have drawn attention to Paula Richman’s book, “Many Ramayanas”, it is imperative to read what exactly, she mentions about the subject, which has been so fascinated to these atheist rabble-rousers. I have read the book carefully and particularly, the interpretations, many times to understand the psyche behind it. Actually, the whole story has not been new Indian scholars, researchers and at least, those who know about the origin of Ramayana[7]. A. K. Ramanujam’s paper[8] “Three Hundred Ramayanas” appears in “Many Ramayanas” of Paula Richman.

The book is nothing but compilation of articles of different personalities, purportly to look into the diversity of a narrative tradition in South Asia. Narrative, rendering, oral tradition, from oral to writing and vice versa, translation etc., can be entertained only literary criticism, when such liberality of literature is there in a society. Where, the thought process is control, such exercise cannot be undertaken. In fact, in many non-Indian societies, such narrative, rendering, oral tradition, from oral to writing and vice versa, translation etc., had been done away long back. Even today in the so-called modern, civilized, advanced, progressed, etc., times, such exercise is not possible in other non-Indian literature. Therefore, the literary critics should understand and appreciate the nuances, before criticizing the “many Ramayanas” or sending wrong signals.

Paula Richman has stories of A. K. Ramanujan, Frank E. Reynolds, Kathleen E. Erndl, David Shulman, Velcheru Narayan Rao, Clinton Seely, Staurt H. Blackburn, Paula Richman, Patricia Y. Mumme, Philip Lutgendorf, and Ramdas Lamb discuss about such narratives etc., and it appears as English rendering of any Tamil Pattimandram discussing the very old questions of mutilation of Surpanaka, Sita’s fire ordeal, etc. Unfortuinately, the sole aim of the compilation appears to deride, disparage and denigrate by choosing the topic under the guise research with historical camouflage.

300 or 3000 Ramayanas?: That there are “300 Ramayanas” as exactly counted has not been the original idea of A. K. Ramanujan, but, as he himself confessed that it belongs to one “student of Ramayana”, Canille Bulcke[9], who only counted so – exactly 300! Then to add his contribution, A. K. Ramanujan mentions[10] that according to a Kannada scholar[11] there are more than a thousand Ramayanas in Kannada! Then, adds that according to a Telugu scholar[12] there are more than a thousand Ramayanas in Telugu! At least, the Telugu scholar appears to be probably reasonable, as he said “more than a thousand”! It is not known why the learned scholar stops with, as he could have consulted Malayali scholar, Marathi scholar, Oriya scholar, Bengali scholar, Gujarathi scholar, Rajasthani scholar, Hindi scholar, Kashmiri scholar and so on.

So here, the point is that Ramayana story has been so popular among every society of the ancient civilizations and accepted by the members of different societies, each member wanted to recognize and transform such Ramayana character to the identified members of society or vice versa for exhibiting similar or same characteristics. When one asks, “Ey, why are you sleeping like Kumbakarna?” , it does not imply that his brother is like Ravana and so on. It has been used figuratively to drive out the point as such characterization has been known to everybody. Thus, he cannot be considered to have created one more Ramayana!

The so-called freedom of thought expression and opinion: The existence of 300 or 3,000 or 30,000 Ramayanas has been the credit to the popularity of Ramayana as a human-literature, Universal literature long back and it does not discredit as the existence of more Bibles[13] or Quarans or Korans[14], as the very mention would be anathema. Perhaps, the persons, who talk about “300 Ramayanas” do not know the existence of more Bibles or Korans., but the faithful believers destroyed many or all according to their own estimate and accounting and finally have one “printed version”, declared as infallible and revealed through God as the “Word of God”, so none could change anything thereafter. But they do not explain why there were hundreds of Bibles and Korans and why they were destroyed. How they could have selected the existing version only as the exact tract as revealed to their respective prophets to be accepted as authentic and authorized. How such divine grace had descended on the chosen group to decide and do accordingly.

Indians have not leaned the art of editing, expurging and interpolation of verses of books, as done by the non-Indians. They have not learned the art of destruction of earlier, differing or opposing versions and to claim that this is the only “Authorized version” or “Revealed Book”.

The Arabic tradition of rendering Poetry and Koran: The Arabic tradition has been that the Arabic poets would only recite their poems, be listened and enjoyed and appreciated by others and they were never written down. Particularly, in the case of Koran, it was strongly believed that as it was revealed by Allah through Jibreal / Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammed (PBCH), it has to be learned by heart by listening to the recital by the experts. There had / have been groups exclusively for the purpose of recital of Koran. Only later, the writing down of Koran and its translation into other non-Arabic languages started. As Ibn Warraq has elaborately dealt with about it, it is not discussed here. In fact, Mohammed Mamaduke Picthall[15] in his foreword clearly records the following points:

1.. It may be reasonably claimed that no Holy Scriptures can be fairly presented by one who disbelieves its inspiration and its message.
2.. The Koran cannot be translated. That is the belief of old-fashioned sheikhs and the view of the present writer (H. M. Pitchall).
3.. …the Glorious Koran, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy.

In India, the society has been liberal, democratic and egalitarian, so the members have liberty to pursue their literary pursuits. Thus, they make one God to many Gods; make male and female Gods with child God also; many times lover; employer and slave; chieftain, king and emperor and so on. It increases his thinking and creativity. The painter and sculptors too follow such pattern and depict Gods and Goddesses accordingly. This is the real freedom of thought, expression, and exhibition of artistic talent. That is why the negative characterization is opposed and condemned. Nowadays, it has become fashion for elite artists, eminent historians and social activists to come out and support such errant perverts, but it is not correct, as could be seen. For example, A cannot of sleeping with B’s wife, just because, he has the freedom of thinking. Having such freedom of thinking, he cannot express openly to B, because he has freedom of expression. As B too have such rights and starts exercise his rights of freedom of thought and expression the consequences are well known. Therefore, there are individual rights which should not violate the rights of others. If this fundamental is not known or knowingly, continuously violated, definitely the peaceful people may react one day. Therefore, it is better to live amicably instead of provoking others. In such situations and conditions, only the provoking forces are barbaric, medieval, lumpen and so on.

Any other world literature does not have such elasticity, flexibility, liberality, democracy, egalitarianism proves that they are controlled and suppressed. Therefore, there cannot be any freedom of thought, expression and opinion entertained in such societies. Even, there is no freedom to tell the fact that there were 300 / 3000 Bibles and Korans, but they were destroyed and now there is only one! Here, Salman Rusdie and H. F. Hussain can be contrasted in the context; Ibn Warraq and EVR; Karunanidhi and Taslima Nasreen; Bertrand Russell and Thomas Paine; and so on.

Ramayana characters could be human beings of any age: As mentioned, because of the flexibility of the characterization of Ramayana, it is applicable to any time and place. Ramayana and Mahabharata are played everywhere by the people with their available men and materials. Therefore, in such depiction, dramatization and adapted-rendering, there would variance in all aspects. Taking these literary critics cannot make big fuss out of it. Now Rama and Ravana may come with pants and shirts also. If it becomes, popular, it would be carried on enjoyed by a group. Can it we say, it is 301th Ramayana or 3001th? Yes, it is correct, “as long as there are many Ramas, there would be more Ramayanas”.

But no other literature could be subjected to such process, as in the non-Indian tradition, the very such thought might be unthinkable. We cannot have many non-Indian heroes or Gods. Can Paula Richman produce an edition of “Many Bibles”, “Many Qurans”, like that or any narratives and oral traditions of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Mohammed, Fatima etc.(just for example, it is asked). Believers of the respective lands and countries know the existence of such narratives, renderings and oral traditions available here and there, but Paula cannot compile. Why even the New Testament apocrypha or Hadis renderings are not discussed, debated and papers presented.

Who can analyze the non-Indian characters (including heroes and heroines, deified heroes and heroines and Gods and Goddesses themselves), criticize or justify their acts of omission or commission, and bring all renderings along with Thomas Paine, Robert Ingersol, Salmon Rushdie, Taslima Nasreen etc. Even Tembavani[16] and Sirappuranam[ 17] cannot be rendered in English, as the orthodox might oppose some verses. In fact, they had already objected to “Kesadhipada varnanai” (= the Tamil traditional narrative of a woman character whoever may be from head to feet, part by part) and removed such verses. Therefore, without going into the details, the western scholars go on commit blunders under the guise of research and it is totally wrong. They should ponder over. As they have big-big University labels, our Dravidian friends immediately, take their renderings and they produce their own renderings to blaspheme Hindus. Here only, the problem comes.

SUN-TV and Ramayana: In SUN-TV group of companies, Karunanidhi and his family members have shares. So why SUN-TV all of sudden start broadcasting “Ramayana”, that too, the much hated, criticized and blasphemed one. Why not the “Ravana Kaviyam” of Kulandai? It is promoted, looked. Loved and considered as “divine” by the Dravidian protagonists including Karnanidhi. He has already accepted that he supports Ravana and he belongs to such clan! Of course, even Kalainjar TV cannot be prevented in broadcasting Ramayana or Mahabhrata, but what about the ideology? They cannot abuse Hindus and cater them with this tamasha. They cannot kill Hindu culture and do this nonsense. They cannot soil the sanctity of temples and try to do some gimmicks. Of course, we know they do not follow the dictum of “Padippathu Ramayanam, idippathu Pillaiyar koil”, but, they meddle with Ramayana and demolish the Temple of Ramayana. That is why now the target is Ramar-palam!

References

[1] Today when I started typing this, SUN-TV of the Black Parivar has started broadcasting “Ramayana”! Even Kalainjar TV broadcast Ramayana!

[2] Vedaprakash, Why Tamilnadu Historians tell lies?, http://www.indiainteracts. com

[3] DK-DMK-PMK-Viduthal ai Puligar, their affiliated parties, associations and ideological subsidiaries.

[4] Al Communists parties CPI-CPI(M), CPI (ML) their affiliated parties, associations and ideological subsidiaries.

[5] It is only summarized one, of course with abusive language used characteristically in the Tamil translation.

[6] In spite of the fact that the Aryan-Dravidian hypotheses and Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) have been proved unhistorical and baseless, these ideologists continue to believe and carry on the propaganda and rouse passion in the same language as they used to speak some 40 to 60 years back.

[7] In the Journals of Royal Asiatic society, All India Oriental Conference and others, enough has been discussed and debated about Valmiki Ramayana and the Jain and Buddhist version of their Ramayanas.

[8] A. K. Ramanujam, “Three Hundred Ramayanas”, Many Ramayanas, edited by Paula Richman, 1991, University of California Press, USA, pp.22-49.

[9] A. K. Ramanujam, opt.cit, p.24.

[10] Ibid, however, he does not mention the name of the Kannada scholar who could count exactly 1000!

[11] This “According to….” makes one remember, “The Gospel according to St. Matthew”, “The Gospel according to St. Mark”, “The Gospel according to St. Luke”, “The Gospel according to St. John”, and so on!

[12] Ibid, here also, he does not mention the name of the Telugu scholar who could count more than 1000!

[13] H. G. G. Herklots, How the Bible Came to us?, Penguin Books, UK, 1959.

[14] Ibn Warraq, Why I am not a Muslim, Promethecus Books, New York, 1995, p.20, 73-76.

[15] Mohammed Mamaduke Picthall, The Meaning of the holy Quran, Crescent Publishing Company , New Delhi,

[16] A Tamil literary work produced on the lines of or rather imitating Kamba Ramayanam.

[17] A Tamil literary work produced on the lines of or rather imitating Kamba Ramayanam, but some Mohammedans claim that it is even superior to Kamba Ramayana, of course, they do not talk about the editing, expunction and removal verses and other modifications done.

Romila Thapar, Duke University, Methodist Church or Romila Thapar, Secularism, Secular history: The Role of Historian and Social Change!

July 16, 2009
Romila Thapar, Duke University, Methodist Church or Romila Thapar, Secularism, Secular history: The Role of Historian and Social Change!
Published on October 23rd, 2007 In Uncategorized, Politics |  Views 410
Romila Thapar, Duke University, Methodist Church orRomila Thapar, Secularism, Secular history: The Role of Historian and Social Change! I am happy to know that, “The Historian in the World: A Conversation with John Hope Franklin and Romila Thapar” will take place at 3 p.m. in the Divinity School’s Goodson Chapel on Duke’s West Campus. It is free and open to the public. Srinivas Aravamudan, director of the John Hope Franklin Humanities Institute, will moderate the discussion”. http://www.dukenews .duke.edu/ 2007/10/conversa tion.htmlI am more anxious what the historians discuss there in the Divinity School’s Goodson Chapel on Duke’s West Campus on October 22, 2007!

“the DivinitySchool’s Goodson Chapel on Duke’s West Campus” made me curious to look into the details. The University claims that, “The Duke University is related the Methodist Church”.

For details see: “Duke University”s Relation to the Methodist Church”:  http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/history/duke-umchh.html

  •      Well, it is all right, bt how the reportedly Communist or Marxist, progressive, secuar Romila Thapar would be speaking there in the, “the Divinity School’s Goodson Chapel on Duke’s West Campus”?
  •      How “Two distinguished scholars will share their views of the role of the historian and social change”?
  •      Would they discuss within the Charter, bylaws, aims, and mission statement” or they go beyond?

The “Charter, bylaws, aims, and mission statement” contains a provision, as follows:

The aims of Duke University are to assert a faith in the eternal union of knowledge and religion set forth in the teachings and character of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; to advance learning in all lines of truth; to defend scholarship against all false notions and ideals; to develop a Christian love of freedom and truth; to promote a sincere spirit of tolerance; to discourage all partisan and sectarian strife; and to render the largest permanent service to the individual, the state, the nation, and the church. Unto these ends shall the affairs of this University always be administered”.http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/history/charterlink.html

How Ropmila Thapar hailing from “Secular India” is going to be accommodative, conducive and recptive to such Christians principles in the name of Jesus Christ? This makes me remember as to how the Christian Crusades, marriages and other functions are held at the “Periyar Tidal” (auditourium with big hall) at Chennai, India. The podium / stage there bear the Cross-believing Christians and the atheists, who speak against the God, scriptures and believers! Like that, would the “the Divinity School’s Goodson Chapel on Duke’s West Campus” bear the secular, progressive and sectarian Romila Thapar there in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

Just remember, what she wrote about Jesus Christ, when she was accusing Rama, the Hindu God as a myth:

This does not happen with the biographies of those who were known to be historical figures and who founded belief systems: the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammad. Their biographies adhere largely to a single story-line and this helps to endorse the ‘official’ narrative of their life. Their existence is recorded in other sources as well that are not just narratives of their lives but have diverse associations…..”.

At that time, I had responded as follows:

Their biographies adhere largely to a single story-line and this helps to endorse the ‘official’ narrative of their life.Why they should largely adhere to a single line? How this helps “official” narrative? How “official” it could be of “their life”? Why can’t you write as a historian instead of believer here? That the “biographers” were compelled or forced to accept or adhere to a single line proves that many lines were left out. And still small number of biographers who did not adhere to a single line is also exposed. Then, what you are talking about? Majority view and minority view? Condemn the “lesser” and accept or approve the Larger”! Adhere to one-line and forget many lines! What sort of historian you are? That man Karu has become a senile man and talks differently. Do you also do the same think as a senile lady?How you endorse such one-liners? Is there any historical methodology to that effect? Which University teaches such approving of one-line biography by eminent historians like you?Do not fool Indians. Ernest Renan, J. M. Robertson and so many reputed authorities are there on the subject matter of Jesus Christ and Christianity. Any way, it is your cowardice gets exposed, as you never whispered anything, when there was much Christian opposition to screening of “Da Vinci Code”. However, when the so-called “Hindutva judgment” came out, you vociferously jumped and asserted that “We would go to Court”. Everything appeared in “the Hindu” itself with your face. Madam, what happened? But now you come siding with atheists, anti-Hindus, anti-nationals as a historian suppressing the recent past and forgetting your own past!

Their existence is recorded in other sources as well that are not just narratives of their lives but have diverse associations. So also Rama. Why then your argument goes differently.In fact, their associations differ. But, Ramayana core story, as H. D. Sankalia in his “Ramayana Myth or Reality”  that it had been there nearly for 3000 years.How “That their existences is recorded in other sources” help you to decide?

It may be noted that historians and scholars have pointed out that Christ story was copied from
Krishna! Rama was repeatedly mentioned in different literature not because of variance, but influence and impact created on the people well before 2500-3000 YBP. Was the Sangam poet a fool to record in his poem about his discussion with his army about the mode of crossing over the ocean to Lanka”. How that poet was imaging that that Lanka should have been the Lanka of Ramayana in his times i.e, 2500 – 3000 YBP?”

Definitely, the Americans and American Christian believers might be knowing about the background and the implications revoving around the discussion. So, we Indians are eagerly waiting to see as to how tshe is going to discuss within the conditions of the University and Christian belief system or she would have courage to vent our her genuine feeling as sjhe has been doing here in India against Hindus. As she has recently started supporting the atheist political party DK-DMK-PMK combine of the ruling combine (supported by the Communist-Marxist political parties from outside), we look forward the discussion to fulfil the following conditions:

The aims of Duke University are to assert a faith in the eternal union of knowledge and religion set forth in the teachings and character of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; V     to advance learning in all lines of truth; to defend scholarship against all false notions and ideals; to develop a Christian love of freedom and truth; V     to promote a sincere spirit of tolerance; to discourage all partisan and sectarian strife; and V     to render the largest permanent service to the individual, the state, the nation, and the church.

Unto these ends shall the affairs of this University always be administered

The activities of Duke foundation have been obviously Christian:

For details: click and see http://www.dukeendowment.org/ruralchurch

VEDAPRAKASH

22-10-2007.