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Alleged conversion of Vaiko to Christianity, the revelation of controversial evangelist Mohan Lazarus and denial by the Periyarist V. Gopalsamy!

November 9, 2017

Alleged conversion of Vaiko to Christianity, the revelation of controversial evangelist Mohan Lazarus and denial by the Periyarist V. Gopalsamy!

Vaiko converted, Lazaraus claimed, The Hindu 08-11-2017

Murderers, dupers and unbelievers converted to Christianity!: Many Christian pastors have been accused of forcefully converting people of other faith, sometimes with stories of the eternal fire of damnation and sometimes with the lure of freebies[1]. But what came as a shock to many was the news of MDMK chief Vaiko’s conversion to Christianity, thus reported Asianet Newsable[2]. But, the reality has been none bothered about it, as Indians know the religious deceptions, pious frauds and divine scams have been going on behind such propaganda. As for as people of Tamilnadu are concerned, they know very well popular and notorious ones like A. V. M. Rajan[3] to Auto Shankar[4] (1954-1995) were converted to Christianity. Actually, Rajan was converted reportedly, as he was having some financial problems. As for as Auto Shankar is concerned, it is well knon that he was a hard-core criminal, rapist and killer of several women, thus, he was hanged. Ironically, the Christians caught hold of him before hanging, converted and promised heaven! It is not known, as to whether the inhuman murderer had gone to hell or “Christian heaven”! In any case, the conversion has not been any grace or honour brought to them or to their religion Christianity.

AVM Rajan and Auto Shankar converted

The conversion news coming out through Social media and media also: Now, news has come out in the mdia explicitly that Vaiko has been converted to Christianity and it has been revealed by one evangelist Mohan C. Lazarus. The videos revealing the conversion and Vaiko attending midnight mass and appreciating Christianiy like a preacher quoting Biblical verses have been in circulation for the last two weeks. Therefore, it was neccecitated Vaiko to clarify his position. The evangelist has been controversial with his rude way of criticizing Modi and ruling BJP. In vernacular media, his controversial acts have also been reported, but, he denied. Now, also, no secularist or Dravidian ideologist has come forward to criticize, analyze or condemn the conversion, alleged conversion, denial etc., in the context.

Mohan Lazarus claims Vaiko family converted

Mohan C Lazarus declares that Vaiko has been converted and he is a Christian!: Vaiyapuri Gopalsamy, also known as Vaiko is the founder and General Secretary of the Marumalarchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (MDMK), a political party active mainly in the state of Tamil Nadu. The claim of Vaiko converting to Christianity was first made by one of Tamil Nadu’s prominent evangelists Mohan C Lazarus. He also claimed in a video that is being widely circulated on social media that Vaiko was reading the Bible twice a day and regularly visits the Church along with his family. They have been baptized. Lazarus also said that Vaiko’s entire family had converted to Christianity. “His daughter and son-in-law are Christians. They are in the US, and every Sunday, they do the service of God. His wife is a Christian. Since he is in public life, he is not able to announce his new faith. He told me that he was reading Bible two times a day and asked me how to pray and I taught him,” Lazarus claimed in the video[5]. He could have produced the baptism certificate issued for Vaiko.

Vaiko converted to Christianity-09-11-2017-Asianet Newsable

Can any evangelist declare that any Dravidian leader has been converted and become a Christian?: Responding to a recent video of Lazarus, in which he states that Vaiko and his family have undergone baptism and converted to Christianity, MDMK deputy general secretary Mallai Sathya said that Vaiko has not made any announcement of getting converted into Christianity[6]. How then, Lazarus could declare so openly? Speaking to News Today, he said that Vaiko is a secular leader, who is genuinely interested in knowing about all religions. “He reads Quran, Bible and Bhagavad Gita to know about them and gain knowledge. This does not mean that he has converted to one particular religion. He is an atheist leader and will continue to be so,” he added[7]. Sathya said that people use his name for their own benefits and we do not take this seriously.  ‘We cannot go behind everyone who uses Vaiko’s name,’ he added. According to Lazarus, Vaiko’s daughter and son in law who live in US are engaged in Christian evangelist work.

Vaiko converted, Lazaraus claimed, News Today 08-11-2017

Vaiko’s reply has not been straight to deny: However, Vaiko has refuted Lazarus’ claims, saying that he hasn’t converted. “I am not a Christian. I respect all religions and my daughter-in-law has a pooja room in which you can see images of all Gods,” he told The Hindu. It was a result of his over-enthusiasm. It’s me and my brother who regularly contribute to the maintenance of the Vinayagar temple in my village,” he further said. He need not explain in this way apologetically, instead of refuting directly. Vaiko said that he had taken up the issue with Lazarus himself as such statements could have serious consequences[8]. He clarified that his daughter had married a Christian and there was no truth in the claim of Mr. Lazarus about others[9]. In Tamil media, he reportedly said that the speech of Lazarus would affect the political condition of the southern districts. So can Vaiko claim that even after becoming a Christian, instead of telling about her, why he says, that, . “……….my daughter-in-law has a pooja room in which you can see images of all Gods,”? Vaiko has been an open supporter of LTTE and had also made a trip to Eelam at the height of the LTTE’s war with Sri Lankan Army which has landed him into a lot of trouble over the years. He was arrested in 2010 for a sedition case filed by DMK. The crypto Christians are as dangerous as the false evangelists spreading satanic news and corrupting the Indian society.

Vaiko converted, Lazaraus claimed, Satya Jyoti- 08-11-2017

Vaiko’s pro-Christian activities and support: In July 2017, Vaiko led MDMK and PMK objected to keeping engraved Bhagawat Gita alongwith the wooden statue of Abdul Kalam playing veena in Kalam Memorial constructed by the Defense Research and Development Agency[10]. Vaiko insisted that Gita should be replaced with Tirukkural. Ironically giving all details, Deepak Aswale concludes that it seems the controversy over communal politics and Vaiko is certainly not coming to end[11]. Vaiko had not only brought a private member’s bill in parliament to give reservation for Dalit Christians[12], but also been campaining for the cause[13]. With his collegue Thiruma also he has bee doing that, though, legally, it is not possible[14]. Thus, knowingly why he has bee doing such propaganda has been intriguing. Here, the double-game of all the Christian missionaries, dalit groups, secular politicians, atheist grups etc., as such reservation is legally impossible, as the Presidential Order 1950 is meant for Hindus.

© Vedaprakash

09-11-2017

Vaiko converted, Lazaraus claimed, Tamil paper- 08-11-2017

[1] Asianet Newsable, Lazarus claims Vaiko converted to Christianity. Is it true?, By Team Asianet Newsable | 09:25 AM November 08, 2017.

[2] http://newsable.asianetnews.com/tamil-nadu/lazarus-claims-mdmk-chief-vaiko-converted-to-christianity

[3] His real name is Shanmugasundaram of Pudukottai. Rajan later became a full time Christian preacher since 1988 and since then has stopped acting in movies and dramas. His wife Pushpalatha is a Catholic by birth. Following Rajan’s conversion, his family too is serving full time Ministry.

[4] Shankar and his gang, consisting of his younger brother Auto Mohan and associates Eldin and Shivaji, as well as Jayavelu, Rajaraman, Ravi, Palani and Paramasivam, were found guilty of six murders, committed over a period of two years in 1988–1989. Shankar’s trial completed by the Chengalpattu sessions court He was sentenced to death along with two of his associates, Eldin and Shivaji, on May 31, 1991. Auto Shankar was hanged in Salem Central Prison.

[5] http://www.yarloosai.com/watch/jijvZaDNDs4/UUe1Nb-N6XgLFHfGxZjIkF8A/vaiko-his-family-converted-to-christianity-mohan-c-lazarus-confirms-tamil-news-redpix.html

[6] NewsToday, Vaiko denies converting into Christianity, NT Bureau, November 8, 2017.

[7] https://www.newstodaynet.com/index.php/2017/11/08/vaiko-denies-converting-into-christianity/

[8] The Hindu, MDMK chief denies claims of conversion, B. Kolappan, Chennai, November 08, 2017 00:24 IST; Updated: November 08, 2017 08:05 IST;

[9] http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/mdmk-chief-vaiko-denies-claims-of-conversion/article20000053.ece

[10] SatyaVijay, Has MDMK leader Vaiyapuri Gopalsamy (aka Vaiko) embraced christianity, by Deepa Aswale, November 7, 2017.

[11] https://satyavijayi.com/vaiko-converted-christian-embraces-hinduism-political-purpose/

[12] http://mdmk.org.in/member/mr-vaiko

[13] Deccan Chronicle, There is a silent wave among people yearning for a change: Thol Thirumavalavan, Published May 5, 2016, 6:37 am IST; Updated May 5, 2016, 6:37 am IST

[14] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/politics/050516/there-is-a-silent-wave-among-people-yearning-for-a-change-thol-thirumavalavan.html

 

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Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications

November 5, 2012

Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications

Iwrote this five years back anticipitating the Chritian propaganda unleashed through cyber-space with the blessings of MNCs. With the LPG, they target Indian society easily with their aggressive marketing capabilities using all methods without any code of ethics or morality. Considering the relevancy and context, I post this here without any change salvaging from Internet.

 Cyber-mission on war-path to attack India – the First Crusade may start at any time: On 30th July, 2007, John Dyal was interviewed by the NDTV news reader and repeatedly asked about the Catholic Cyber Conversion adopted and adapted recently. Reacting to this, vigorously and crazily John Dyal started justifying it. When persisted how religion could be brought to the virtual world, he blurted out that “Why not” – Hindus say that the entire world is Maya. Then, it was shown as if the TV crew get opinion of Delhi-students with Christian, half-Christian-half-Hindu and Hindu names accepting and supporting such Cyber-conversion, evidently without understanding the implications. Thus, it appears that Vatican has incorporated Cyber-mission in its agenda and there would be more Roberto de Nobilis, Beschis, Bede Griffiths, Hans Staffners, Clooneys, and so on with laptops with wireless internet connections. Of course, they started already.

 Definition of Cyber-crusade / Holy-War / Jihad: John Edmiston discussed about, “Missions in Cyberspace: The Strategic Front-Line Use Of The Internet In Missions“, in www.cybermissions.org. He claims: “One of these means is the use of theInternet. And one of the most exhilarating frontiers of mission today is cyber-missions; the frontline use of IT to evangelize and disciple the nations. In this article we will keep the focus on cross-cultural mission web sites and strategic approaches to ministry online such as web-evangelism, email discipleship, web-based TEE and icafes as a church-planting strategy. This paper will review the potential, the actual uses and the successful implementation of Internet-based missionary outreach and put the case for missionary societies to have an Internet evangelism department headed by a Field Director – Cyberspace. I have intentionally excluded the traditional uses of computing in missions or the use of the Internet for mono-cultural ministry as this has already been extensively reviewed elsewhere (for instance in the work of Leonard Sweet)” [the key words are given in colour].

 Hindus untochables or experts in Cyber-religion? Can Hindus match for this? Are they prepared to take? Yes, definitely, Hindus are capable considering the IT workers and experts in the field. But, the Christians think differently, if all these Hindu guys and girls are converted, what would happen to Hindu religion? Yes, with single stroke, they can strategically enslave the Cyber-untochables and John Daya & Co., would start fighting for them also starting a Cyber-Dalit Liberation Front, All India Cyber-SC-ST Federation for which D’Souza, Udit Raj and others  might be President, Secretary and so on sending reports to Bush, Bill Gates, Vatican, UN and what not.

 They give figures like this: Online Language Populations (September 2002): 

English 36.5%;Chinese 10.9%,

Japanese 9.7%,

Spanish 7.2%,

German 6.7%,

Korean 4.5%,
Italian 3.8%,
French 3.5%,Portuguese 3.0%,

Russian 2.9%,

Dutch 2.0% (Source: Global Reach)

We should have corresponding figures for users in Hindi, Tamil and other languages.The English includes, Hindu users also.

 

Warning – the anti-Hindu groups would gang together: Of course, they tie-up with Muslims, secularists, atheists, anti-Hindu groups etc., or they themselves create such web-missions with such names and attack Hindus by all means. Then, they would have MOU with non-Catholic evangelists of US and EURO countries with the respective Presidents agreeing with the Pope, the Head of Vatican City-State. As the anti-Hindu groups irrespective of their ideologies, gang together on stages in every meeting, seminar or conference, so also they join to attack.

 

The treatment of Hindu-men under Christian cyber-masters / employers: As the employers are Christians, they have already started pressure on Hindu IT workers and experts. Slowly, it would turn in different direction. When one young Indian software engineer went to US and working there, his fellow Americans used to ask him about the “sandal paste mark” on his forehead etc. Though, he used to give general explanation for their understanding, they used to argue with religious vigor. After some days, one of Americans gave him a Bible, asked to him to read and come for discussion. This is very similar to what has been happening in gulf-countries, where the sheik-masters used to try with Hindu-professionals.

 The treatment of Hindu-girs and women under Christian cyber-masters / employers: With Hindu girls and women, they behave differently. Starting with commenting on their mode of dress, colour etc., slowly, they praise about their beauty and so on. Of course, the Supreme Court judgment and direction about the treatment of women at work places applicable in India would not be applicable there and we do not know as to whether any equivalent Act, Rules or provisions are to check such “women teasing” [I do not want to use eve teasing, as they might take it as a right. Yes, as Jehovah teased Eve, the fundamentalist, fanatic Christians could think that it is their right to tease women following their Commandment of God].

 Infiltration into, manipulation of and hacking Internet groups: Some Hindu experts and professionals have been successful enough to bring out facts about Indian history, culture, tradition, heritage and civilization in internet. Reading such websites, many educated and learned students, scholars and even professors have been convinced about the logic and facts presented. After all, none could say other than what one generally accept to say “2 + 2 = 4”. Of course, mathematician experts, number theorists and analysts may disagree, that is healthy, intellectual and highly useful for humanity.

 Be careful about Carcinogenic Cyber Christians: Assessing the success or rather the impact, the Cyber-missions may all out to attack. So they start infiltrated with their cyber-expertise. As virus has been there affecting humanity, it has been there here also and we see the results. So we have to be careful about Carcinogenic Cyber Christians, who may be otherwise known as respectfully hackers and so on. The conversion of Indian civilization to Hindu civilization might be the reason for such cyber-invasion and infiltration.

 Hindus should not be just satisfied with Virtual pujas, Bajans, philosophy etc: Now, many Hindus are interested in Computers, Internet etc., because, they get wonderful-colourful pictures of Gods and Goddesses, Bajan-downloads, virtual pujas with all paraphernalia and so on.

 Of course, there are inter-religious skirmishes, philosophical debates with arrogance as usual, “I am modest treading middle-path or secular” type discussions. Here, over-zealous, pride and arrogant postings should be avoided, as the opponents may use such arguments against Hindus.

 Instead, they can discuss and debate about the rites, rituals and ceremonies conducted by them in different countries, how they differ, why divergence, why such differences are not made to India-criticizing scholars, etc., would be worthwhile.

 Hindus may get many e-mails regularly bombarding them to accept Christ for redemption. Of course from the desperate fundamentalist-fanatic categories, they may get threatening mails like “If you do not accept, you will go to hell” and so on. Of course, Hindus may get pornography also along with Jesus Christ or the Word of God with Satanic temptation! [I am not writing this with any wrong impression on Christians, with the past experience with Christians. My friends and I received hundreds of such letters, pamphlets and books from Christians, when Christian issues were discussed in Indian Express and other journals]. As time and space change, the tactics change but old-habits may not change.

 They may post some issues and divert or lead them to ticklish issues resulting in controversies. They may rehash the same old “Aryan-Dravidian”, anti-Brahmin like stuff. They may make personal attacks as a last resort. Or worst, they would accuse Hindus as “Hindutva-wadis”, “Saffron brigade”, “Hindu fundamentalists”, “Sanga parivar” and so on. Anyway, truth triumphs always.

 That is why I use to say often, we have to identify the Hindu-baiters, Hindu-enemies and Hindu-betrayers, expose them to all and treat them as such, as Hindu society cannot and could not produce or have such elements.

 Oh Hindus be ready.

kkVedaprakash <vedamvedaprakash@…>
To: hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:22:30 PM
Subject: [hc] Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications.

Divine scandal, Theological corruption and religious perversity orUntouchable Gods and Untouchables!

July 16, 2009

Divine scandal, Theological corruption and religious perversity orUntouchable Gods and Untouchables!

Untouchable Gods” and “touchable dual-believers”: As Indians, we have heard enough about “untouchables”, but have we ever heard about “Untouchable Gods”? No, not at all. But, it appears that the Christians and Muslims are trying to bring such “Untouchable Gods” in India.  The Christians teach Indians that Christian God could be three or one or one-in-three and so on, but the Muslims have been persisting upon the one, the only-one not more or not less!

The Christian God or Jesus Christ could be in different colours but Allah cannot be with any colour. Even, that God may appear according to White white, Black black, Brown brown and so on. But Allah is colourless. Again God can be any racial, ethnic and ideological, but Allah cannot be so! So the Partnership of Christian-Muslim combine gives a “dual” or “untouchable” nature of their Gods! However, they want to in theological company to do divine business of being-together.

They claim about their wonderful concept of eating together to advocate “toucbability”, but a Hindu woman would be removed from service wearing a nose-ring, as it could bring microbes! A priest or pastor can lick and give and believers can take, no microbes nothing. Unseen cannot do anything in such cases! Thus, we have suddenly overt-covert, explicit-implicit, open-covered, barren-hidden, naked-covered categories of “dual-believers” with “Untouchable Gods”. Their Gods are “Untouchable Gods”, “Unseen Gods”, “Unheard Gods”, “Unspeaking Gods” and “Untastable Gods”, because, they are beyond the perception of senses of man! Moreover, they openly believe that their Gods cannot help in getting reservation for the potential dalit-converts., but Supreme Court can do. Thus, we are caught between “Untouchable Gods” and “touchable dual-believers”!

Secret converts believers with hidden faith: Can a real convert have any secrecy maintained about his conversion? Having turned his mind away from the Old God to New God, how can he turn again this-side and that-side? What type of “turning” it is?

Believers with hidden faith! My God, the faith has to be hidden in mind to hold his God tight. Otherwise, he has to cry, “Oh God, Oh God, why you have forsaken me”. Immediately, the Christian partner, Muslim would jump and declare, see, your God is praying to our God only! “Eli, Eli” according to Muslim is Eli-Ela-Elahi-Elohim-Alaha-Allah and so on! Anyway, we need not worry about Eli or Allah or Christ, let them decide.

The usage of expression “Secret converts” appears to be a fraudulent one, as the so-called converts have no guts to believe either the abandoned God or embraced God. Actually, the converting Christians should feel shame about their useless and disgracing act.

V     Why then they convert and fool the weak-converts, who do not have any mental strength in godly-affairs?

V     God and religion requires conviction, confidence and belief.

V     If the converters and converts do not have such qualities, it is not only dishonor and scandal, but also cheating the God himself.

V     Can any sensible and matured believer or pious one accept such divine scandal, theological corruption and religious perversity?

Western-funded congregations: Let the poor or anybody turn to Mary, Jehovah, Allah or anybody, it does not matter in the globalization of industry and business. But it is ironical, farce and mockery to talk about western funded congregations. To claim that, “This allows them to seek opportunities beyond government sector in the booming information-technology and services industries that put a premium on the westernized outlook and English-language skills”, is again deceptive. The westernized outlook has only corrupted the Indian system, as we see so many ladies going astray.

Z    Otherwise, why a Muslim Liyakat Ali Khan should stoop down to Cyber-sex with all his IT-expertise?

Z    Why the Christian Yacob Saravanan be after so many shady women with the corrupted money, that too, swindled in the name of God.

Z    Does the western-funded congregations offer such sexy-opportunities backed with IT?

Playing double-game to fool two Gods: If the cited case of Venkatesh Gunti is a fact then that person must have been cheater of two Gods. Ironically, he proves that the new embraced or believed God is useless.

N     It is not understand why he should bastardize his conscience to be with two-congregations?

N     Why western-funded congregations failed?

N     Is it not a gambler or smuggler or criminal using two or more passports to go around and fool all?

N     Why such sinning crooks, wicked frauds and evil villains should be encouraged in the name of God and religion?

The new twist given to Conversion frauds: If a person echoes hiding his Christian faith, “The government is forcing us to lie”, what sort of Christian is he? Shame, instead of that, he can be kicked out of Christianity by a true Christian. This type of theological frauds, double-cross cross-bearers can cross anybody at any time. It is a great sin to blaspheme the Christ crucified on the cross, if at all, a Christian believes in the Christ or God. That he is maintaining “double-life” is gross manipulation of religion and he is not all religious then. His pleading or blurting out “Whatever the consequences, God will take care of us”! Which God would take care of him? The past God, present God or future God? What nonsense is it? Who is making him to lie to the government, to the God and to himself?

If the Christian God or Islamic God cannot do how Indian Supreme Court can do? Paradoxically, it is mentioned repeatedly that it has been petitioned to Supreme Court, it is currently reviewing several challenges filed by Christian and Muslim Dalits etc. , shows the super-duping theological fraud.

6      How the Supreme Court could be superior that Christian or Islamic God?

6      When the Gods, with whom the new converts or secret converts or covert-coverts rely upon, pray him openly or secretly, or at least believe him staunchly, why that the Christian and Muslim leaders go on approach the Court and Parliament with political pressure instead of God-power?

6      They unashamedly and immorally prove that the Political Power is superior to the God-power. As otherwise, the leaders who talk nonsense or fool all with all their sermons etc., must quit their bogus-life and die on the Cross!

Religious frauds depend on frauds only: Yes, the cat is out again! “Indian groups have tried for decades to win a similar exception for Christianity, which is believed to have arrived in India when St. Thomas disembarked in Kerala in the first century”. When they could not believe the Gods, why then they believe that some thing came to India exactly in the first century and so on? How that it exactly disembarked embarking everything? And it should choose only Kerala? Excellent! Already we have seen a gang of frauds – Ganesh Iyer alias Acharya Paul etc., colluded with Arulappa, Deivanayagam etc., in the case of “St. Thomas fraud”. Arulappa and Acharya Paul had been fooling with Retzinger and successful in appraising the then Pope also about their wonderful fraudulent research carried out in Tamilnadu! Shame, these guys do not bother about the High Court proceedings etc., as they perhaps, only believe in Supreme Court. They do not worry about “the Day of Judgment of God”, but in the “judgment of man”.

The Dalits – the main source of potential converts! Wonderful, at lest, they have confessed that they dealing with “Dalits” only as commodities and not as human beings! After all, they talk in globalization terminology, western-funded congregations, booming information-technology and services industries, premium on the westernized outlook and English-language skills. What more is required for the “Dalits” to be rated, treated and traded? Vey potential in deed and that too the main source, so that they can become the main source of potential converts. After assessing, considering or branding them so, why they worry about their double-life, double-act, double-cross etc?

Partnership in outsourcing – Joseph D’Souza and P. K. Ahmad Sabir: After all the globalization, westernization and industrialization have to work with God also. When God can be sold through cyber-space, why not through Supreme Court or Parliament? Definitely, the useless Gods, in the sense, as the Court and man-made law are believed, could be sold out and the main source of potentiality could be concentrated. After all these “Dalits”: have to be in a state of “duality” as has been confessed by the Christian and Muslim authorities. If they win in the Court, they can be Christians or Muslims overtly or covertly Hindus or vice versa. If they loose, no problem, as stated! So it is a game of “head or tail, we win game”. Let them play, the partnership. Only thing is the poor “Dalits” have to be outsourced to outreach!

Appeal to Westerners, Western media and Western Intellectuals: It is requested that the westerners, western media and western intellectuals be objective to the Indian issues and present the facts correctly without any bias, prejudice or pee-determined mind-setup. Try to respect the feelings of the others also. By mere propaganda or sheer media-power or absolute-influence do not try to overwhelm and overpower Indians with muscle-twisting theology or ideological religiosity. We know you can make Jesus Christ to come with AK-47 or any advanced machinery, as the missionary is ready with “liberation theology”. And of course, your Partnership may wage crusade-jihads for which the gullible, naïve and innocent Hindus are no match. Do not exploit SCs / Harijans etc., by calling “Dalits” or converting poetically as you proudly announce. If you bully Supreme Court with international power, then, what type of judiciary, we can expect? If you intimidate Indians with your economic threats, terrorize with fiscal sanctions, oppress with financial controls and suppress by all means, who are oppressed and suppressed? Do not make mockery of theorization with ideological and verbal terrorism. If you want Super Gods, Superlative Gods, Supreme Gods, please have them, but do not suppress and oppress with such Gods. Do not make our Gods oppressed and suppressed! Be honest and satisfied with your jealous, aggressive and envious Gods and we are happy with our “DALIT GODS”.

\   With such “DALIT GODS”, we continue to live as “DALIT INDIANS” and “DALIT BEILEVERS” with self-respect and honour, but we would not be “dual-believers” or “believes with hidden faith”.

\   As Swami Vivekananda proclaimed, we declare our religion and faith on our foreheads, in ears and noses.

\   Yes, every limb, blood, nerve, cell, DNA etc., would live and die with open belief – exhibited in stones and trees, hills and mountains, rivers and oceans and of course – men and animals, monkeys and elephants.

\   Do not worry about our idolatry, but try to cleanse your mind.

\   We are proud of our religion in consistent with nature – living and non-living. Be satisfied with your “theological-haves” and do not worry about our “theological-have-nots”!

This with reference to several articles appearing in internet, as my attention has een drawn my attention to them:

The Untouchables In India, ‘Untouchables” convert to Christianity – and face extra bias Yaroslav Trofimov The Wall Street Journal online

September 19, 2007

Dalits Situations in
India
Mukul Sharma Heinrich Boll Foundation
DAlits get ready for class-caste war Runko Rashidi (Posted by, as claimed) Indiainteracts
O Rama, oh Rama, You became the God and we the demons Iniyan Elango Ibid.

My responses are appearing in the site.

VEDAPRAKASH

21-09-2007.