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3000 Hindus converting to Islam in Coimbatore: A Communal drama, strategic plan or politicized agenda? [2]  

March 8, 2020

3000 Hindus converting to Islam in Coimbatore: A Communal drama, strategic plan or politicized agenda? [2]

Nagai Tiruvalluvan, Bagavi nexus Dec.2019

He is the Nagai Thiruvalluvan having nexus with Mohammedans and trying to induce SC Hindus to get converted to Islam with agenda.

Ilaveni respecting Palani Baba tomb-1

Worshipping, respecting and garlanding tombs are halal / forbidden in fundamentalist Islam, yet, Thoruvalluvan does and the Mohammedans keep quite!

Whether they converted or not?: Alleging threat by police, a recent convert Raiz, previously Ravichandran, said, “Those who are converting legally are being threatened by the police[1]. As a result, there are people who can’t talk about the conversion openly.” There are some people who shy away from their conversions fearing authorities[2]. But the youth of the area seem to be more vocal and don’t pay heed to still being called by their caste names.” However, this move by the Dalit outfit has angered a section of the villagers. They claim that only a handful of them, belonging to the Dalit outfit, have converted and are spreading rumours that thousands are converting[3]. Eashwaran, a resident of Mettupalayam said, “They have linked the 17 deaths to Islam conversion[4]. They said 3000 will convert. Residents of this particular locality are like one big family. We are not planning to convert to another religion. They (Tamil Puligal Katchi outfit) are spreading wrong news[5]. “We believe in Lord Vishnu. We will never convert to any religion. All people here are like my family. No one here will convert,” added Kannama, another resident. Thus, suddenly, conflicting reports are also coming. So what happened, whether SCs converted or not?

Thiruvalluvan arrested, Muslim speaker
Converted Muslim asked BC (Backward Class) certificate [August 2019]: Pointing out that neither during his conversion to Islam, nor during the publication of his conversion in the Tamil Nadu Government Gazette, he has mentioned anything regarding the sub-sect Labbai, the Madras high court dismissed a petition filed by a person seeking a direction to the Tahsildar, Thirukkazhukundram, Kancheepuram district, to issue Community Certificate to him, his wife and his children as BC (Backward Class) Muslim Labbai[6]. Dismissing the petition filed by Rilvan, a division bench comprising Justices R. Subbiah and C. Saravanan said initially at the time of conversion into Islam, the petitioner did not particularly mention about the sub-sect “Labbai”, which dis-entitles him from claiming the relief of issuance of community certificate to the petitioner and his family, more particularly, in the Jammath, he did not mention his sub-sect while conversion to Islam.

Thiruvalluvan arrested, Muslim speaker alur nawas

Chettiyar marrying SC and converting to Muslim lebbai [August 2019]: According to the petitioner, he is a Hindu by birth and originally belonged to BC 24 Manai Telugu Chettiyar Community. His marriage was solemnised with his wife Ramjiya, whose original name is Ramya, who belongs to Scheduled Caste (SC) Hindu Adi Dravida Community and due to their wedlock, two children were born to them, namely Harshat (previous name Kavin Raji) aged about 13 years and Harshidha, aged about 4 years. On October 15, 2012, out of his own volition, the petitioner got converted to Muslim Labbai religion from the Hindu religion. After conversion, he was blessed with the second child. Subsequently, on March 23, 2016, he had published his religious conversion in the Official Gazette. On March 28, 2018, he applied for issuance of community certificate to the Tahsildar and he sought the Tahsildar to issue BC community certificate as per a G.O dated July 29, 2008. But the authorities denied the same on the ground that they could issue only as converted Muslim. Subsequently, the Revenue Divisional Officer also rejected his representation. Hence, he filed the present petition.

Thiruvalluvan arrested, Muslim speaker jawahirulla
Court cannot order to give any certificate for caste or class: The bench said the petitioner got converted to Muslim religion on October 15, 2012, with sub-sect Labbai. Neither during the conversion to Islam nor during the publication of his conversion in the Tamil Nadu Government Gazette, he has mentioned anything regarding the sub-sect Labbai. Even in the certificate given by Pudupattinam Zamath, there was no mention of the sub-sect Labbai. Hence, the petitioner will not be entitled to Backward Class Community Certificate merely on conversion, the bench added. The bench said only if there was an endorsement by the Jamath indicating the Backward Class as Labbai, the community certificate can be issued by mentioning the said sub-sect. In the absence of such endorsement by the Jamath, the authorities cannot issue community certificate as sought for by the petitioner. Though the petitioner relies on G.O dated July 29, 2008, stating that Hindu BC community can convert to any of the seven sects of Islam as mentioned therein in the list, in which Labbai was one among them, in the absence of specific sub-sect during the conversion to Islam, he has to be treated as Muslim which comes under the Forward community. Even during the enquiry conducted by the Revenue Inspector, Nerumbur on his petition to RDO, the petitioner simply stated that his family embraced Muslim religion and that they changed their names as Muslim names, even though they published their names in the government gazette. “Hence, for the above reasons, now this court cannot give such a direction prayed for by the petitioner,” the bench added.

Thiruvalluvan arrested, DK speaker Covai RK

If SC certificate were cancelled, a Muslim can become BC!: Dr. Raja Mohammed (Reg.No.00102119) belonged to Muslim Labbai included in the list of BC-M on his conversion from Hindu to Muslim. According to clarification received from the Government, in the absence of any orders issued by the Government in respect of converts from Hindu to Islam, they would be considered as “Others”.  He was SC and after conversion, he became lebbai. The Tahsildar issued a conversion certificate and also community certificate, declaring him to be a member of Backward Class. The community certificate, showing his community, as Scheduled Caste, was cancelled. The court decided that he was BC only, as the SC certificate was cancelled[7]. So the SC converted Mohammedan has two options for reservations – as a lebbai, he can get the 3.5% of reservation within reservation policy introduced by Karunanidhi or they can claim BC by cancelling the SC / Lebbai certificate, yet claiming to be a Muslim!

SC threat to convert to Islam, Coimbatoe-praying

This photo published by Deccan Chronicle proves as to how the secular police stand to facilitate the Mohammedans to encroach the public platform and roads!

Jamath issues Lebbai caste or Backward class certificate?: First of the intriguing fact has been how Jamat can issue a certificate for the SC convert Mohammedan and it could be equated with the SC or untouchable. The Mohammedan law does not have such authority and therefore, the TN Muslims stand and issuance of such certificate is unconstitutional. Moreover, the court has rightly noted, “Neither during the conversion to Islam, nor during the publication of his conversion in the Tamil Nadu Government Gazette, he has mentioned anything regarding the sub-sect Labbai. Even in the certificate given by Pudupattinam Zamath, there was no mention of the sub-sect Labbai. Hence, the petitioner will not be entitled to Backward Class Community Certificate merely on conversion.” The churches have been issuing birth, baptism, marriage and death certificates and not caste or class certificates. Had it been there so, for converted SC issue, they would not go to Supreme Court. Of course, though, Muslims used to claim, but, they never pursued legally, as it might go against the fundaments of Islam. Of course, the elite and rich categories never want such reservation, as it would affect their interests.

© Vedaprakash

08-03-2020

Ilaveni respecting Palani Baba tomb-2

Worshipping, respecting and garlanding tombs are halal / forbidden in fundamentalist Islam, yet, Thoruvalluvan does and the Mohammedans keep quite!

[1] News.18, Over 400 Dalits Converted to Islam Since Collapse of ‘Caste Wall’ Claimed 17 Lives, Says Tamil Nadu Outfit, Poornima Murali | CNN-News18Updated: February 14, 2020, 8:02 PM IST.

[2] https://www.news18.com/news/india/over-400-dalits-converted-to-islam-since-caste-wall-claimed-17-lives-says-tamil-nadu-outfit-2501325.html

[3] With inputs from S Annette Beryl Elizabeth. News.18, Over 400 Dalits Converted to Islam Since Collapse of ‘Caste Wall’ Claimed 17 Lives, Says Tamil Nadu Outfit, Poornima Murali | CNN-News18Updated: February 14, 2020, 8:02 PM IST

[4] Times Now,  ‘Discriminated, treated like animals’: Over 400 Dalits convert to Islam in Tamil Nadu; 3000 in queue, India DigitalTimes Now DigitalUpdated Feb 13, 2020 | 11:54 IST.

[5] https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/discriminated-treated-like-animals-over-400-dalits-convert-to-islam-in-tamil-nadu-3000-in-queue/552920

[6] Deccan Chrocicle, Chennai: No BC certificate for mere conversion, Published Aug 31, 2019, 2:28 am IST; Updated. Aug 31, 2019, 2:28 am IST.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/310819/chennai-no-bc-certificate-for-mere-conversion.html

[7] Madras High Court- M.Raja Mohammed vs Tamil Nadu Public Service … on 20 January, 2011

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUDICATURE AT MADRAS, DATED: 20 .01.2011 – CORAM: THE HONOURABLE MR.JUSTICE VINOD K.SHARMA, W.P. No.21864 of 2010 and M.P.No.1 of 2010

M.Raja Mohammed .. Petitioner. Vs. 1. Tamil Nadu Public Service Commission, Rep. by its Chairman, Chennai-600 006 and 2. Government of Tamil Nadu, Rep. by its Secretary, Department of Animal Husbandary Fort St.George, Chennai 600 009. .. Respondents. https://indiankanoon.org/doc/122359/

3000 Hindus converting to Islam in Coimbatore: A Communal drama, strategic plan or politicized agenda? [1]

March 8, 2020

3000 Hindus converting to Islam in Coimbatore: A Communal drama, strategic plan or politicized agenda? [1]

3000 Hindus convert to Islam, IE

Tamil Puligal Katchi threatening to convert to Islam: Indian Express reported in December 2019 itself, Nadur residents and members of Tamil Puligal Katchi, citing ill-treatment of Dalits in the Hindu religion, had announced that they would be converting to Islam[1]. The decision was made at the outfit’s State-level meeting held at Mettupalayam. In other words, the general public does know this party or the actors involved. Moreover, as it came out explicitly converting to Islam, it is evident that the party members have contacts with the Mohammedans and in spite of Islamic terrorist activities, bombing and other activities taking place in Tamilnadu, particularly in Coimbatore, still, they preferred to do so, there has been nexus in such threatening. Its leader is seen with Mohammedan leaders and particularly respecting the tomb of Palani Baba is intriguing, as even, the Mohammedans do not like such activities (worshipping tombs). Yet, all have been going on. This proves that the nexus has a larger perspective of damaging agenda in the Indian context.

Coimbatore wall collapse, 17 SC killed.JCB

It all started with the collapse of the wall of Sivasubramanian (December 24. 2019): Indian Express continued…..In all, 3,000 individuals would give up their religion and become Muslims, they said[2]. General Secretary of Tamil Puligal Katchi M. Ilavenil presided over the meeting. Citing the wall collapse incident which claimed the lives of 17 people at Nadur, the members of the outfit said that despite there being a provision for taking action under the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, the owner the house – Sivasubramanian – was not booked under it. The 80-feet-long granite compound wall of Sivasubramanian’s bungalow collapsed early Monday 02-12-2019 in Nadur Adi Dravidar (Dalit) Colony in Mettupalayam, Coimbatore, that killed 17 people, including 11 women and three children[3]. The Coimbatore district police in Tamil Nadu on Tuesday 03-12-2019 arrested a 60-year-old businessman in connection with the wall collapse[4]. “Sivasubramanian constructed the wall with a discriminatory motive. There were no pillars to support it. He built the wall in order to separate his house from those of the Dalits who lived nearby. Citing the discrimination, we have been demanding officials to alter the case registered on Sivasubramanian and book him under the SC/ST act. But the State government has not altered the case so far,” said Ilavenil.

Coimbatore wall collapse, 17 SC killed

Whether all the involved groups wanted to politicize the wall-collapse?: Speaking about the detention of Nagai Thiruvalluvan, who is the outfit’s president, he said, “The person responsible for the tragedy was released on bail within 20 days of his arrest. But Thiruvalluvan who protested in a democratic way seeking justice has been detained in Coimbatore prison. It exhibits the inequality in the religion,” he said. Claiming that Dalits are being ill-treated in the religion, Ilavenil said that his party members along with the people of Nadur have decided to convert to Islam. “As many as 100 people will convert to Islam on January 5 in Mettupalayam during the first phase,” he said, adding that the process will be taken up step by step in other districts. A rich man buys land and constructs his house adjacent to the houses already there of SCs. Or The SCs houses are coming up next to the house of a rich man and thus, he decides to construct a compound wall. It is very difficult to interpret in the highly politicized and sensitive issues like this. “Because of torrential rainfall, the granite compound wall, which was 23 feet in height, had tumbled on the houses lying below,” said K Rajamani, collector of Coimbatore district. Mettupalayam police booked Sivasubramanian under section 304 (a) of the Indian Penal Code for causing deaths by negligence.

Threat to convert. News 18 picture

Residents had alerted the businessman about cracks that had developed in the wall, but he ignored their requests to strengthen the structure, the police said. “The accused was absconding for a day. However, we managed to arrest him on Tuesday afternoon,” said a police officer inquiring into the incident. TN CM Edappadi K Palaniswami visited the families of the dead, whose relatives staged a protest on Monday evening that was broken up by the police using batons. Opposition DMK president MK Stalin criticised the police action, slamming the local civic body for not removing the hazardous wall. “It seems Nadur Adi Dravidar Colony locals have often asked Sivasubramanian and Mettupalayam municipality officials to remove the compound wall, which posed a grave threat. However, the government had not acted on their complaints,” Stalin said. The TN government announced an ex-gratia payment of Rs 4 lakh each for the families of those who died in the wall collapse.

India Today freport on coimbatore conversion - 1

India Today explained that an affidavit was given for conversion: IN THE AFFIDAVIT SUBMITTED FOR CONVERSION, ALL OF THESE MEN HAVE WRITTEN THESE FIVE POINTS[5]:

  1. I belong to the Hindu religion, Arunthathiyar class by birth.
  2. My family respects and follows all the principles of Hindu religion till this day. I don’t have any hatred towards Hinduism.
  3. For the past three years, I was inspired by the Islam and I decided to follow the religion because of it’s religious laws and doctrines. This decision wasn’t taken with any guidance.

I wholeheartedly adopt Islam and I would follow it truly.

I believe that God is one and Mohammed Nabi is the last messenger of God. I accept Islam completely and convert to be a Muslim[6].

Thus, it is very clear that the involved groups have started their experiment to get converted with stakes from the Mohammedan groups and as well as the government In other words, they want cake free and also want to eat comfortably with such floated lobby and clout.. It could turn out another “Meenakshipuram” type conversion involving power, finance and other complicated factors. As days have changed, their methodology has also been changing.

India Today freport on coimbatore conversion - 2

The arrest of Nagai Thiruvalluvan and coming together of anti-Hindu, anti-national forces: According to M. Ilavenil, general secretary of the outfit, 420 residents, many of them members of Tamil Puligal, from Thondamuthur, Annur, Periyanaickenpalayam, Karumathampatti and Mettupalayam embraced Islam at mosques near their homes[7]. He claimed that the religious conversions were the fallout of the wall collapse in Nadur, Mettupalayam in early December 2019, in which 17 persons belonging to the Scheduled Caste died[8]. None of the converts were from Nadur “because Hindu organisations and police are camping thereafter our announcement [about conversion] on January 24,” he further claimed[9]. The outfit’s chief Nagai Thiruvalluvan, arrested on charges of inciting violence in Mettupalayam, said his cadres had planned for the conversion when he was imprisoned. The primary reason was what he described as “discrimination against Dalits”, particularly by the officials[10].  The way the arrest of Thiruvalluvan was condemned by the Dravidian, Islamic, Communist and other anti-national, anti-Hindu groups has been intriguing ad noted carefully. Because their meetings and speeches have more political bias than the issue of dealing with SC or conversion[11]. Of course, the Mohammedan media has been so happy to carry out such news in their own way[12].

Tiruvalluvan with Jawahirulla

SC leaders accuse Hindu organizations: M. Ilavenil, general secretary of the outfit continued, “The State government’s failure to see the Nadur tragedy through the caste discrimination prism, recognise that casteism was at the core of the tragedy and displaying anti-Dalit bias were the reasons for the conversion,” he charged. “Why did the police show hesitation in registering a case against the owner of the property whose compound fell on three houses killing the 17 Dalits; why did the police, right from the beginning, attempt to conceal the discrimination angle; why did the government not take any action against officials who had failed to act on Nadur residents’ petition regarding the compound wall and why did the police fail to act in a fair manner,” he asked. “These questions have been weighing on the minds of his outfit’s members, Dalit activists and concerned Dalits. This has been a simmering anger that led to the decision to convert to Islam, where they are guaranteed of equality,” he added. This, however, did not include people from the affected area, Nadur, he said. “Consequent upon our announcement, members of Hindu outfits have camped in the area convincing the residents to not convert. They are supporting the building of a temple. And, the police too are in good numbers. Even I’ve not been able to go there.” Terming the Dalits of Nadur gullible, Thiruvalluvan said they were under the Hindu organisation’s influence.

© Vedaprakash

08-03-2020

SC threat to convert to Islam, India Today

[1] Indian Express, 3,000 Dalits to convert to Islam in Coimbatore over government inaction on Nadur wall collapse, Published: 25th December 2019 05:24 AM | Last Updated: 25th December 2019 08:17 AM.

[2] https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2019/dec/25/3000-dalits-to-convert-to-islam-in-coimbatore-over-government-inaction-on-nadur-wall-collapse-2080588.html

[3] Hindustan Times, Police arrest Tamil Nadu businessmen whose compound wall collapse killed 17, by M Manikandan, Updated: Dec 03, 2019 16:21 IST

[4] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/police-arrest-tamil-nadu-businessmen-whose-compound-wall-collapse-killed-17/story-vcXYxgwDF0JpjjYBfucf3N.html

[5] India Today, Over 430 Dalits convert to Islam in Coimbatore citing injustice, more conversions underway, Akshaya Nath , Chennai, February 12, 2020; UPDATED: February 12, 2020 00:15 IST

[6] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/dalits-convert-islam-coimbatore-hindu-discrimination-injustice-1645564-2020-02-12

[7] The Hindu, Over 400 Dalits in Coimbatore converted to Islam, claims outfit, COIMBATORE , FEBRUARY 13, 2020 15:08 IST; UPDATED: FEBRUARY 13, 2020 15:45 IST.

[8] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/over-400-dalits-in-coimbatore-converted-to-islam-claims-outfit/article30808864.ece

[9] News.18, Over 400 Dalits Converted to Islam Since Collapse of ‘Caste Wall’ Claimed 17 Lives, Says Tamil Nadu Outfit, Poornima Murali | CNN-News18Updated:February 14, 2020, 8:02 PM IST

[10] https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/discriminated-treated-like-animals-over-400-dalits-convert-to-islam-in-tamil-nadu-3000-in-queue/552920

[11] The Siasat Daily, Over 430 Dalits convert to Islam in Coimbatore, POSTED BY SAFOORA, UPDATED: FEBRUARY 13, 2020, 3:51 PM IST

[12] https://www.siasat.com/over-430-dalits-convert-islam-coimbatore-1824227/