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EVR’s atheism, Deivanayagam’s petition, Veramani’s counter and the Judgment!

September 8, 2019

EVR’s atheism, Deivanayagam’s petition, Veramani’s counter and the Judgment!

WP 2017 filed by Deivanayagam

2017 petition heard and decided in 2019: That the petition W.P. No.28021/2017 was heard two years later and the judges to deliver judgment on 04-09-2019 has been intriguing. None reacted to the judgment or protested to remove any paragraphs from the judgment arguing that they offend their belief or so.  Perhaps, most of them are not interested at all. The duo Rajiv Malhothra and Aravinda Neelakantan[1] made much fuss about their favorite duo Deivanayagam and Devakala[2] also keeping quite! Though from 2014 onward, many Hindutwa advocates, lawyers and legal experts have been out, it appears that they do not bother such cases. Of course, they might write in their own websites and journals, read by hundred or two hundred, applause and enjoy time otherwise.

Duo vs duo

Thanthai Periyar, had advocated both atheism and self respect[3]: Emphasizing the right to propagate views questioning existence of God, the Madras High Court recently dismissed a Public Interest Litigation which sought to remove atheistic inscriptions below the statues of Thanthai Periyar in Tamil Nadu[4]. The bench comprising Justice S. Manikumar and Justice Subramonium Prasad observed that followers of Thanthai Periyar, in exercise of the rights under Article 19 of the Constitution of India, has a right to disagree with the existence of God.

There is no God, no God, no god,
Those who preached God is fool
Those who spread God Rogue
Those who pray God are Barbarians

These inscriptions below the statue of Thanthai Periyar erected all over the State of Tamil Nadu, offended Dr.M.Deivanayagam[5] who filed a PIL seeking to remove them on the ground that it is an offensive language, and against the ‘Universal God’. According to Dr. Deivanayagam, Periyar had always advocated self-respect and not atheism. He further contended that Periyar had not uttered such words offending people[6]. He contended that during his lifetime, Periyar had never uttered these words, inscribed below the statues, and it was the Dravidar Kazhagam, led by its president K. Veeramani, that had inscribed these lines[7]. A division bench of Justice S. Manikumar and Justice Subramonium Prasad said it was of the view that it was an undisputed fact that Periyar, in all his speeches and publications, from 1928, had declared that[8] “there is no God, God doesn’t exist, one who has created God is a fool”. “The propogation of the philosophy of self respect, social reform, ending caste system, equal rights and Periyar’s vision to establish a society of brotherhood can be deciphered, and according to him, the belief in God was the sole reason for the inequalities in society[9]. Speeches and expression, extracted supra, from 1928, makes it clear without an iota of hesitation that it was Periyar’s philosophy and ideology that became a self respect movement and later on, a party,” the bench said.

Atheism case, the so-called words

Periyar had declared that there is no god, God doesn’t exist, One who has created is a fool: Justice Manikumar, in his judgment, made many references to writing and speeches of Periyar and concluded that he had, in all his speeches, publications, from 1928, had declared that there is no god, God doesn’t exist, One who has created is a fool[10]. The court also observed that, people recognize Periyar as a non believer of God and the one who fought for social justice and self respect. The court said[11]: “Propagation of philosophy of self respect, social reform, ending caste system, equal rights, and Thanthai Periyar’s vision to establish a society of brotherhood could be deciphered, and according to Thanthai Periyar, belief of God, was the sole reason for the inequalities in the society. Speeches and expression, extracted supra, from 1928 and enclosed in the typed set of papers makes it clear, without any iota of hesitation, one can clearly come to the conclusion that it is Thanthai Periyar’s philosophy and ideology, which became a self respect movement and later on, a party”.

Ezra, Veeramani, Deivanayagam, Seeman together

Followers of Periyar Has Right To Propagate His Atheistic Views: The court further observed Dravidar Kazhagam Party, has every right under the Constitution of India, to fight for social justice in eradicating inequality, right for upliftment of women and downridden people, express views on religion and existence of God[12]. It further observed that divergent views on philosophy should be allowed to be expressed, and that there cannot be a prevention of freedom of expression, with permanent interest of human progress[13]. It said: “The petitioner has a constitutional right under Article 19 of the Constitution of India, to express his views on religion and existence of God, in the light of the decision of the Hon’ble Supreme Court in Lalai Singh Yadav’s case, we are of the view that the 2nd respondent and the members of the party, or followers of Thanthai Periyar, in exercise of the rights under Article 19 of the Constitution of India, has a right to disagree with the same.”

How Cristians and theist dupe Hindua 04-09-2019 judgment

Who is Deivanayagam, the Petitioner of the case?: M. Deivanayagam has been a Christian, completed M. A. Tamil fom Madras Christian College, working as a lecturer in Loyola College, done a Ph.D from the chair created by the former Archbishop R. Arulappa, that was reportedly affiliated to the University of Madras. With the publication of his controversial book, “Viviliyam Tirukkural Saiva Siddhantam,” he go some publicity. However, Rajiv Malhothra of Infinity Foundation had given undue publicity through his book, “Breaking India.” Though he never saw and met Deivanayagam he engaged certain people to get information about Deivanayagam. That is why, the information the Rajiv Malhothra group got has been confused and given full credit to Deivanayagam and her daughter Devakala. Aravinda Neelakantan, evidently collaborated for such “Deivanayagam research” making him famous, popular rather than notorious hitherto. Some persons of Hindutva groups have worked as conduits for the information exchange between Deivanayagam and Hindutwa groups. Thus, in 2017, Deivanayagam got this fantastic idea of “Universal God” and filed a writ petition.

Deivanayagam claimed ER was not an atheist

What Deivanayagam claimed in his petition: Based on the petition filed, the following points are listed:

  1. The Parliament of World Religions was held between 15th and 19th of October 2015 at Salt lake city, USA. On behalf of our trust [“Trust for the Unification of World Religions through Soulology of the Tamils”], we rented two booths to establish the existence of the Universal God on the basis of the Soulology of the Tamils and all the questions raised by the religious scholars had been answered rationally.
  2. On the basis of the invitation of the Vice Chancellor of Madras University. We have established the existence of Universal God in a rational way on 2nd January 2016.
  3. The President of Dravidar Kazhagam have advertised that, those who prove the existence of God will get a reward of 1 crore rupees and those who prove Pilliyar eats Kozhukattai will get a reward of 2 crore rupees and specifically they have to prove in the premises of Periyar Thidal. Accepting his challenge, we wrote letters to K.Veeramani. We wrote articles explaining a reply to his challenge and published in our magazines. After reading this, due to the fear of losing his challenge, he has hidden himself in his own premises at the specified time. The complete details are published in our Tamizhar Samayam magazine. We are always ready to prove the above challenge at any time.”

WP 2017 f-what veeramani said about deivanayagam

What K. Veeramani frecorded about M. Deivanayagam in his counter: What K. Veeramani recorded abot M. Deivanayagam:

  1. It is the further contention of the 2nd respondent [Deivanayagam] that the petitioner used to spend time, in the premises of 2nd respondent’s party [K. Veeramani] under the guise of an atheist and non believer of God.
  2. It is their further contention that after some time, the petitioner has started preaching that in the world, that there are two religions, one is Saivait and the other is Vaishnavait and Gods are Shiva and Vishnu respectively.
  3. The second respondent has further stated that the petitioner is having an organization called “அனைத்து தன்மான தமிழர்களது கூட்டமைப்பு”. Using this organization, on one side, he preached about Periyar and on other side, tried to achieve his individual views, by using 2nd respondent’s party.
  4. As he refused to attend his meeting, he filed this petition as a revenge.

WP 2017 f-judment last parasThe judgment and its beneficiaries and of course the affected: It is not known as to where the Hindutwa lawyers, advocates and others have gone. Thus, it is very clear that both played dubious play and mischief, just to get publicity through the petition, because, hther it is head or tail, they are the winners and the opponents or the gullible attacked [who always do not know that they are attacked] and the Judges cleverly delivered the judgment giving much publicity to EVR with the English translation that occupies 60% of their judgments. Definitely, the DK, K. Veeramany and Deivanayagam have been the most benefited with the dismissed petition and the judgment.

© Vedaprakash

08—09-2019

Atheism case, the judges who delivered

[1] Authors of the book “Breaking India,” holding that these two were responsible for all the Christa activities carried on in India.

[2] More than half the book deals with a father-and-daughter duo, Devianayagam and Devakala; have you heard of them? They are Tamil evangelists, and while I hold no brief for either of them, I find it hard to believe, as Malhotra does, that they are Enemies Number One and Two in India.

Outlook, A study on Bible-thumping activism ignores titular faultlines, concocts plots couched in anti-imperialism, GITA RAMASWAMY, 23 MAY 2011

https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/yankee-hindutva-strikes/271815

[3] Livelaw, Right To Atheism: Madras HC Reject PIL To Remove Atheistic Inscriptions Under Periyar Statues [Read Judgment], BY: ASHOK KINI6 Sep 2019 6:31 PM

[4] https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/right-to-disagree-with-existence-of-god-147845

[5] He has been a Christian posing as a Sanyasi donnig ochre robes and writing against Hindu religion, scriptures and Gods. The Catholic chrch supports him, though, they pretend to oppose each other.

[6] The Hindu, Madras High Court dismisses plea to remove inscriptions on Periyar statues, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, CHENNAI, SEPTEMBER 06, 2019 00:45 IST; UPDATED: SEPTEMBER 06, 2019 11:11 IST.

[7] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/high-court-dismisses-plea-to-remove-inscriptions-on-periyar-statues-dravidar-kazhagam/article29345201.ece

[8] The Times of India, Madras high court upholds right to deny God’s existence, TNN | Updated: Sep 6, 2019, 13:19 IST

[9] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/periyar-e-v-ramaswamys-followers-have-right-to-question-existence-of-god-madras-hc/articleshow/71001704.cms

[10] TheNewsMinute, Constitution grants right to say ‘there is no god’, says Madras High Court, Megha Kaveri, Friday, September 06, 2019 – 17:41

[11] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/constitution-grants-right-say-there-no-god-says-madras-high-court-108493

[12] Business Standard, HC throws out plea seeking removal of “no God” slogans from Periyar’s statues, Press Trust of India | Chennai , Last Updated at September 5, 2019 21:55 IST.

[13] https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/hc-throws-out-plea-seeking-removal-of-no-god-slogans-from-periyar-s-statues-119090501548_1.html

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After the bones of “doubting Thomas,” now, we have “Skulls of doubtful Thomas” everywhere!

May 10, 2018

After the bones of “doubting Thomas,” now, we have “Skulls of doubtful Thomas” everywhere!

Tombs of Thomas in different countries

The Christian myths, manufacture of relics and fabrication of evidences excel science and technology: Even though Vincet Smith asserted, “Even Apostle can die but for once,” the “Thomas myth” does not die with one body, one skull, one skeleton and so on! Defeating the mathematical progression, they have been increasing day by day in all continents, countries and counties. Yet, from the Pope to Pastor, they enjoy the “myths of Jesus, Christ, Jesus Christ” and so on along with Mary’s girdle, milk etc., without any blush, shame or embarrassment. The “mythical Thomas” could have travelled all over the globe, dying many times, leaving skeletons, skulls and bones everywhere, so that they could be collected, kept in Churches and venerated faithfully. The biology, bio-technology, genetics, cloning, and other sciences have to take alms from them. Ironically, the Indian academicia[1] and journalists[2] have been also aiding and abetting in promoting such myths, frauds and criminal acts without any shame.  Though, the discourse about “Scientific and secular methodology” and “scientific temple” and all, they do not wok here.

The finger of claimed to be of Thomas is kept in Church in Rome.

Praying before skeletons and bones – the Indian and Italian ways: The bones and skulls of “Doubting and doubting Thomas” provoke people all over the world. Ivarfjeld[3], pointed out the curious practices followed by the Catholic Christians as follows, “On December 2009 this Catholic priest in Italy bowed and prayed before a box which contain the claimed skeleton of Thomas the Apostle of Jesus. The priest pray to a skeleton in a box inside the altar at the Basilica of St. Thomas in Ortona, Italy (how they pray kneeling down). The photos taken on feast of Saint Thomas the Apostle, December 21, 2009. The most amazing parts of this picture is not that a Roman Catholic priest bow and pray in front of a relic box. But rather that the relic box includes a skeleton, whom the Vatican claim is of “St. Thomas the Apostle”.

Bust of the Apostle St Thomas in the Basilica in Ortona church

Doubting Thomas has tombs everywhere!: Ivarfjeld continues[4], “Take a look at the remains, kept inside the box inside this claimed to be a “Church in Italy” (colour photo of Ortona skull). The skeleton displayed on an Indian website (pointing to the photo, with keft-right orientation changed). To avoid people accusing me of faking this skeleton photo, this is the link to the publisher[5]: We have to thank Catholic bloggers for exposing such acts of wickedness[6]. It is hardly possible to bow deeper than this is front of bones (as such practice was not allowed). The Portuguese opened a Tomb of “St. Thomas” in Kerala in 1523 A.D.  So this “saint” had two Catholic tombs at the same time. One of them in Italy. The problem with “good old skeletons” is that they are difficult to identify. In particular skeletons that was picked up in India.  In India “St. Thomas” has at lest three claimed burial sites”.

Bust of the Apostle St Thomas in the Basilica in Ortona church.two models

The worship of corpses, skulls and bones within the Roman Catholic religion Ivarfjeld explains, “This is what a well known Roman Catholic blogger has recorded, “ This is the tomb of Saint Thomas the Apostle located in the little town of Ortona in the Abruzzi.  Thomas was transfixed with spears and martyred in about 68-72 in the south of India, in Mylapore (Mylapour), a suburb of Madras.  Before that he preached the Gospel to the Parthians, Medes, Persians and Hyrcanians before he arrived in India.  By order of the king he was killed and his remains were later brought to Edessa in Mesopotamia and then here to Ortona in the year 1258”. Source: Blogger (link not displayed). My comment: The Roman Catholic Church is an amazing collector of corpses, skulls and bones. And even whole skeletons, which later has been cut into pieces, and sold as relics. I am honored, that my Lord and God can use me to expose all this, so that the eyes of the blind might be opened. Luke 8:17, “For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open”. I do not know any other websites with such a collection of articles that expose worship of corpses, skulls and bones within the Roman Catholic religion”.

Thomas skeleton fake- photos are faked

Manufacture of Thomas relics and myths: Ivarfjeld concluded as follows, In the example of Thomas the Apostle, his bones are kept in several location in Italy, and also in India. His rather fragmented skeleton in the little town of Ortona in Italy. A finger in Basilica di Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome. The right arm is kept for display in The Marthoma Pontifical Shrine in Thrissur in Kerala in India. Which was claimed to be the site of his tomb already in 1523 A.D. The finger of claimed to be of Thomas is kept in Church in Rome (photo). The Greek Orthodox church claim this is the skull of Apostles Thomas held at Pathmos (photo). The right hand of claimed to be Thomas is kept in Thrissur in Kerala since 1953 (photo). His full skull is also claimed to be kept in Monastery of St. John the Theologian, Patmos in Greece. If you buy all this fraud, there is basically nothing I can do to help you. You live in such a bondage to the Papacy, that you will not repent regardless of what scandals and insanity that will be reported from within this movement. The example of claimed to be the Apostle Thomas is grim. The “saint” has two Roman Catholic tombs. One in India and one in Italy. The Portuguese and the Italian seems not to have coordinated their religious claims. Fraud is the only suitable word for this. Jesus the Messiah is alive. He will show mercy to all who repent, and are willing to renounce this systematically invented evil”.

Thomas skull fraud- Pathmos, St George, Greece

St. Thoma skull at the church in Navestock, Essex, UK: Robert Richard Tighe and Jamed Edward Davis recorded as follows[7]: “The relics inclosed in some of them comprised –

  1. a portion of the milk of the Virgin Mary,
  2. parts of the skulls of St. Bartholomew and
  3. parts of the skulls of St. Thomas the Apostle.
  4. Tables and branches of silver and silver gilt stood on the high altar, one of the branches containing an arm-bone of St. William of York (” which can be seen”), and another, part of an arm of St. George.
  5. The relics not inclosed comprised –
  6. an arm-bone of St. Osytho,
  7. an arm-bone of St- Richard, and
  8. bones of St. Margaret Queen of Scotland,
    1. Thomas of Hereford,
    2. David,
    3. William of England, and
    4. William of York;
  9. part of the jaw-bone of St. Mark, containing fourteen teeth;
  10. a bone of St. Gerard,
  11. a rib of one of the eleven thousand virgins,
  12. bones of St. Maurice and St. Elizabeth,
  13. a rib of St. Vitale,
  14. part of the brain of St. Eustace; and
  15. in a separate division were –
    1. a bone of St. George,
    2. parts of the Lord’s supper table and
    3. of the Virgin Mary’s tomb, and
    4. some of St. Thomas of Canterbury’s blood.
  16. There was also one of the stones with which good Stephen was stoned,
  17. a breast-bone of the good Archbishop Edmund,
  18. a shirt of St. Thomas the Martyr,
  19. a white girdle given by St. John the Evangelist to St. Mary, and
  20. a small part of the skull of St. Thomas the Apostle, and
  21. a candle end of the Virgin Mary.”

Here, “parts of the skulls of St. Thomas the Apostle” and “a small part of the skull of St. Thomas the Apostle”,  are interestng and intriguing, ad they are appearing again and again and everywhere.

St. Thomas the Apostle in Navestock, Essex, UK

St. Thoma skull at the church in Navestock, Essex, UK: The details given are reproduced as follows[8]: “St. Thomas the Apostle in Navestock, Essex, is an example of a church which should not have survived the Second World War. One night in 1940 a Luftwaffe parachute ‘landmine’ [a sea mine deliberately dropped on land as a high capacity blast bomb] floated down out of the night sky and exploded in the churchyard just a few feet from the church. The powerful blast ripped right through the building destroying all but four tiny fragments of the church’s stained glass and seriously damaging the spire and roof. The then vicar, Rev George Bishop, managed to arrange for tarpaulins and other temporary roofing during the war years but major repairs were not completed until 1954. The shallow blast crater left by the landmine remains in the churchyard next to the path and is, today, marked by a sundial. Navestock is an imposing church of 11th and 12th century date but which was largely rebuilt in the 13th and 14th centuries including the addition of the prominent timber belfry tower. The tower has been radio-carbon dated to 1120AD to 1240AD. This tower is constructed of four inclined posts stabilised with long passing braces which are jointed with ‘archaic lap joints’. The present bells date back to the early 15th century. The church’s massive organ was a gift from a private house but was moved to its present postion in 1954 when an upper gallery was demolished as part of the post-war renovation[9]. Internally the church has a nave and chancel with a south aisle – the aisle being built about the same time as the belfry tower and on the same alignment. The aisle is divided from the nave by a series of ‘stone’ arches which are not stone at all. As revealed nearer to the chancel, the arches are actually wooden structures which were plastered over to resemble stone. A detail photograph elsewhere in this set shows the method that was used to achieve this. Internally there are numerous monuments dating back to the 1600s, many for the Waldegrave family who were prominent local landowners”.

© Vedaprakash

07-05-2018

St. Thomas the Apostle in Navestock, Essex, UK-2

[1] In the so-called History congress conferences, they encourage papers on spreading such myths. Particularly, the academicia of Kerala aid, abet and promte such myths.

[2] They carry out such myths, very often, along with history, tourism and so on, kowingly, as they are Christians, crypto-Christians or promoted by Christians.

[3]  Ivarfjeld, Praying before a box with a skeleton named “St.Thomas”, FEBRUARY 2, 2013.

[4] https://ivarfjeld.com/2013/02/02/bowing-and-praying-before-a-box-with-a-skeleton/

[5] Referring to Iswar Sharan blog

[6] Perhaps, he mistook “Ishwar Sharan” as one of such “Catholic” bloggers!

  1. parts of the skulls of St. Thomas the Apostle.

Green…, London,1858,  p. 232

[8] https://www.flickr.com/photos/barryslemmings/250395628/

[9] www.flickr.com/photos/barryslemmings/sets/72157594296068311/is the full set for Navestock church.