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Why the “inter-community marital status” of Syed Mohammad Imran and Latika Dhikshit failed in Secular India?

November 14, 2016

Why the “inter-community marital status” of Syed Mohammad Imran and Latika Dhikshit failed in Secular India?

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Hindu woman married to a Muslim man: Dikshit’s daughter Latika Dikshit Syed is known for her “inter-community marital status”, thus mentioned “the Financial Express”, adding, “But the report said, she had separated from her husband 10 months back”. So what made them to get separated or why the “inter-community marital status” did not work between them is not explained. Latika, a trained social worker and a rural development consultant, so far stayed away from active politics. So far, it was good, but for the “inter-religious marital” accord, harmony and amity. The inter-religious and inter-caste marriages in India is exalted as revolution to break communalism, casteism and other medieval evils. However, rarely, it is discussed about the success or failure of such bondages created with progressive, secular and revolutionary compulsions.

latika-syed-married-to-muhammed-imranDid the daughter Latika really want to avenge the defeat of her mother?: In 2014, there were discussions that she may make her political debut in the upcoming Assembly elections in the national capital[1]. According to leaders privy to the party’s electoral strategy for the polls, Latika Dikshit Syed wanted to jump into the fray from the New Delhi constituency “to avenge her mother’s humiliating defeat at the hands of Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) convener Arvind Kejriwal”[2]. The political pundits did not predict about her fight by joining Congress itself. Meanwhile, Sheila Dikshit has been declared Congress’ chief ministerial nominee in the upcoming Uttar Pradesh Assembley elections. Therefore, whether, the political ambitions of Latika Syed or Syed Mohammad Imran have been shattered or otherwise are not known. Whether, the politics could have been a reason for the breakage of the wonderful bond or the “inter-community marital status”created.

latika-with-dikshit-motherSyed’s potential candidature – to her family’s long-standing ties with the Gandhi family in addition to her ‘secular credentials’ given her inter-community marital status[3]: The daughter of former Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit is likely to make her political debut in the upcoming Assembly elections in the Capital. According to leaders privy to the party’s electoral strategy for the polls, Latika Dikshit Syed wants to jump into the fray from the New Delhi constituency “to avenge her mother’s humiliating defeat at the hands of Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) convener Arvind Kejriwal last December”. Ms. Dikshit, in her early 40s, is a trained social worker. Her brother Sandeep Dikshit, former Lok Sabha MP from East Delhi, is understood to have played ‘a major role’ in convincing Ms. Syed to throw her hat in the political ring even as he held himself back from doing the same, according to party sources. Meanwhile, the party’s Central leadership, insiders said, was ‘more or less convinced about’ putting its weight behind Ms. Syed for a variety of reasons ‘at the moment’. These range from her training in social work to her image as ‘an adequately experienced though young and dynamic leader’. “Her potential candidature has gone well with national vice-president Rahul Gandhi, who is in favour of younger leadership for our Delhi unit, and is convinced that she is a party worker with her ear to the ground,” said a senior party leader. Another party leader attributed Ms. Syed’s potential candidature to her family’s long-standing ties with the Gandhi family in addition to her ‘secular credentials’ given her inter-community marital status[4].

sheila-with-her-daughter-and-son-in-law-close-viewSyed Mohammad Imran arrested from Bangalore and brought to New Delhi: Former Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit’s son-in-law Syed Mohammad Imran has been arrested for allegedly subjecting his wife to domestic violence[5]. Imran was arrested from Bengaluru two days ago 11-11-2016 after Sheila Dikshit’s daughter Latika filed a case of domestic violence case against him at the Barakhamba police station. Imran was arrested from Bengaluru and brought to Delhi on transit remand, said a senior police official. The accused and Dikshit’s daughter Latika had been living separately for the last ten months since August 2016 and they have no children[6]. The arrested son-in-law of former Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit had begun torturing his wife after Dikshit lost power in Delhi during the 2013 elections.

latika-syed-with-her-mother-sheila-dikshitSyed Mohammad Imran’s behavious changed after the defeat of his Mother-in-Law:  Dikshit’s daughter Latika has alleged that her husband Syed Mohammad Imran had been living happily since their marriage in 1996 but things went awry after her mother lost the elections[7]. So what interest Syed Mohammad Imran was having in “political win” is intriguing. “Imran’s behaviour changed suddenly after my mother lost the elections in 2013. He turned aggressive and rude and subjected me to torture,” Latika reportedly said in her complaint to Delhi Police which arrested Imran on charges of domestic violence, theft and adultery[8].

sheila-with-her-daughter-latikaEyeing on the Nainital property by Syed Mohammad Imran: One of the allegedly stolen articles that the victim highlights in her complaint were papers pertaining to a land in Nainital she owns. Latika had alleged that Imran took away papers of the Nainital land owned by her, despite having been told not to do so in May 2016[9]. Latika also accused one of her female relative of being “in connivance” with Imran, they said[10]. It is simply intriguing to note that Syed wanted the property, to have affair with another woman, quarrel with Latika, and so on. Working in IT Company and having a VIP wife, can he get along by doing all nonsense? How he could live successfully with all such disturbances, without neighbours or friends knowing, that too, living in posh-Bangalore.

sheila-with-her-daughter-and-son-in-lawDeveloping relation with another woman: On the instance of Latika, police have also arrested a woman in the case with whom Imran had allegedly developed an illicit relationship. Delhi Police confirmed the arrest on 13-11-2016, Sunday[11]. The police who had been tracking him for several days traced him to Halasooru where he was staying in a rented house[12]. Deecan chronical reported[13] that “According to the police, Syed Imran was arrested from a hotel on M.G. Road on Friday”. He was working at a software firm in the city[14]. The couple had frequent tiffs over domestic issues, including the custody of their child and Imran used to make abusive calls to Latika regarding the same, the police said. A senior police official said Dikshit’s daughter accused Imran of subjecting her to violence, almost choking her to death on one occasion[15]. She alleged that the two accused have been in an illicit relationship for the past two years 2014-2016[16].

Latika Dikshit filed complaint against her Muslim husband on many accounts: Latika told police that jewellery and other valuables had been missing from her Hailey Road house and whenever she asked Imran about their location, he would only give evasive replies. Police has also charged him under several sections of the IT Act. According to an official of Barakhamba Road police station, Latika had lodged criminal complaint against Imran in June this year 2016. “We contacted Imran several times to come to Delhi for investigation. He was ignoring our calls repeatedly. Following directions from senior officers, a team was sent to Bengaluru which arrested him there,” an official said. Delhi police produced Imran in a Bengaluru trial court and secured his transit remand to pursue the case further in Delhi. Imran had been living in Bengaluru until Delhi police arrested him. Latika along with her two children was living with Sheila Dikshit in her Delhi house. Thus, it is evident that “Zeenews” has wrongly reported about the children.

Indians as fans, followers and consumers have right to research, assess and analyse celebrities: Indians need not worry about the personal lives of the politicians, cine actors, celebrities and others in general. However, as they are held as social symbol, societal trade mark and cultural brand to decide the values of Indians, Indians have to research, assess and analyse them by all means. Through the print and electronic media, they poke into Indian society, sit on many social issues and adjudicate many cases without any care for Indians. Just less than or 1% of these categories have been deciding issues ad forcing others to accept. So when they fail on many accounts, naturally, they have to come out and confess to the Indian fans, followers and consumers about their failure. In India, mostly the politicians, cine actors, celebrities propagate such secularistic programs and therefore, they too have “Social Responsibility” to answer. So let us see, how this case is continued, adjudicated and decided.

© Vedaprakash

14-11-2016

[1] The Financial Express, Sheila Dikshit’s son-in-law arrested under domestic violence act, By: FE Online | New Delhi | Published: November 13, 2016 11:58 AM

[2] http://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/sheila-dikshits-son-in-law-arrested-under-domestic-violence-act/444692/

[3] The Hindu, Sheila daughter may contest from New Delhi, November 21, 2014.

[4] http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/sheilas-daughter-may-contest-from-new-delhi/article6620449.ece

[5] Zeenews, Ex-Delhi CM Sheila Dikshit’s son-in-law arrested under Domestic Violence Act, Last Updated: Sunday, November 13, 2016 – 12:28

[6] http://zeenews.india.com/news/delhi/ex-delhi-cm-sheila-dikshits-son-in-law-arrested-under-domestic-violence-act_1949265.html?fromNewsdog=1

[7] Asian Age, Sheila Dikshit’s son-in-law held over adultery charge  AP / REUTERS | SAURABH TRIVEDI, Published : Nov 14, 2016, 2:20 am IST Updated : Nov 14, 2016, 11:33 am IST.

[8] http://www.asianage.com/metros/delhi/141116/sheila-dikshits-son-in-law-held-over-adultery-charge.html

[9] firstpost.com, Sheila Dikshit’s son-in-law arrested on charges of theft, adultery, PTI  Updated: Nov 14, 2016 08:20 IST

[10]http://www.firstpost.com/india/sheila-dikshits-son-in-law-arrested-on-charges-of-theft-adultery-3103940.html

[11] The Hindu, Former Delhi CM Sheila Dixit’s son-in-lawarrested, November 13, 2016.

[12] http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/former-delhi-cm-shiela-dixits-soninlaw-arrested/article9340696.ece

[13] Deccan Chronicle, Domestic tiff: Sheila Dikshit’s techie son-in-law held in Bengaluru,, Published Nov 14, 2016, 2:03 am IST; Updated Nov 14, 2016, 6:26 am IST

[14] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/crime/141116/domestic-tiff-sheila-dikshits-techie-son-in-law-held-in-bengaluru.html

[15] dailymail.co.uk, ‘He STRANGLED me after my mother lost the Delhi elections’: Sheila Dikshit’s son-in-law held for domestic violence after wife files complaint,PUBLISHED: 22:54 GMT, 13 November 2016 | UPDATED: 00:21 GMT, 14 November 2016.

[16] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3932410/He-STRANGLED-mother-lost-Delhi-elections-Sheila-Dikshit-s-son-law-held-domestic-violence-wife-files-complaint.html

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Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications

November 5, 2012

Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications

Iwrote this five years back anticipitating the Chritian propaganda unleashed through cyber-space with the blessings of MNCs. With the LPG, they target Indian society easily with their aggressive marketing capabilities using all methods without any code of ethics or morality. Considering the relevancy and context, I post this here without any change salvaging from Internet.

 Cyber-mission on war-path to attack India – the First Crusade may start at any time: On 30th July, 2007, John Dyal was interviewed by the NDTV news reader and repeatedly asked about the Catholic Cyber Conversion adopted and adapted recently. Reacting to this, vigorously and crazily John Dyal started justifying it. When persisted how religion could be brought to the virtual world, he blurted out that “Why not” – Hindus say that the entire world is Maya. Then, it was shown as if the TV crew get opinion of Delhi-students with Christian, half-Christian-half-Hindu and Hindu names accepting and supporting such Cyber-conversion, evidently without understanding the implications. Thus, it appears that Vatican has incorporated Cyber-mission in its agenda and there would be more Roberto de Nobilis, Beschis, Bede Griffiths, Hans Staffners, Clooneys, and so on with laptops with wireless internet connections. Of course, they started already.

 Definition of Cyber-crusade / Holy-War / Jihad: John Edmiston discussed about, “Missions in Cyberspace: The Strategic Front-Line Use Of The Internet In Missions“, in www.cybermissions.org. He claims: “One of these means is the use of theInternet. And one of the most exhilarating frontiers of mission today is cyber-missions; the frontline use of IT to evangelize and disciple the nations. In this article we will keep the focus on cross-cultural mission web sites and strategic approaches to ministry online such as web-evangelism, email discipleship, web-based TEE and icafes as a church-planting strategy. This paper will review the potential, the actual uses and the successful implementation of Internet-based missionary outreach and put the case for missionary societies to have an Internet evangelism department headed by a Field Director – Cyberspace. I have intentionally excluded the traditional uses of computing in missions or the use of the Internet for mono-cultural ministry as this has already been extensively reviewed elsewhere (for instance in the work of Leonard Sweet)” [the key words are given in colour].

 Hindus untochables or experts in Cyber-religion? Can Hindus match for this? Are they prepared to take? Yes, definitely, Hindus are capable considering the IT workers and experts in the field. But, the Christians think differently, if all these Hindu guys and girls are converted, what would happen to Hindu religion? Yes, with single stroke, they can strategically enslave the Cyber-untochables and John Daya & Co., would start fighting for them also starting a Cyber-Dalit Liberation Front, All India Cyber-SC-ST Federation for which D’Souza, Udit Raj and others  might be President, Secretary and so on sending reports to Bush, Bill Gates, Vatican, UN and what not.

 They give figures like this: Online Language Populations (September 2002): 

English 36.5%;Chinese 10.9%,

Japanese 9.7%,

Spanish 7.2%,

German 6.7%,

Korean 4.5%,
Italian 3.8%,
French 3.5%,Portuguese 3.0%,

Russian 2.9%,

Dutch 2.0% (Source: Global Reach)

We should have corresponding figures for users in Hindi, Tamil and other languages.The English includes, Hindu users also.

 

Warning – the anti-Hindu groups would gang together: Of course, they tie-up with Muslims, secularists, atheists, anti-Hindu groups etc., or they themselves create such web-missions with such names and attack Hindus by all means. Then, they would have MOU with non-Catholic evangelists of US and EURO countries with the respective Presidents agreeing with the Pope, the Head of Vatican City-State. As the anti-Hindu groups irrespective of their ideologies, gang together on stages in every meeting, seminar or conference, so also they join to attack.

 

The treatment of Hindu-men under Christian cyber-masters / employers: As the employers are Christians, they have already started pressure on Hindu IT workers and experts. Slowly, it would turn in different direction. When one young Indian software engineer went to US and working there, his fellow Americans used to ask him about the “sandal paste mark” on his forehead etc. Though, he used to give general explanation for their understanding, they used to argue with religious vigor. After some days, one of Americans gave him a Bible, asked to him to read and come for discussion. This is very similar to what has been happening in gulf-countries, where the sheik-masters used to try with Hindu-professionals.

 The treatment of Hindu-girs and women under Christian cyber-masters / employers: With Hindu girls and women, they behave differently. Starting with commenting on their mode of dress, colour etc., slowly, they praise about their beauty and so on. Of course, the Supreme Court judgment and direction about the treatment of women at work places applicable in India would not be applicable there and we do not know as to whether any equivalent Act, Rules or provisions are to check such “women teasing” [I do not want to use eve teasing, as they might take it as a right. Yes, as Jehovah teased Eve, the fundamentalist, fanatic Christians could think that it is their right to tease women following their Commandment of God].

 Infiltration into, manipulation of and hacking Internet groups: Some Hindu experts and professionals have been successful enough to bring out facts about Indian history, culture, tradition, heritage and civilization in internet. Reading such websites, many educated and learned students, scholars and even professors have been convinced about the logic and facts presented. After all, none could say other than what one generally accept to say “2 + 2 = 4”. Of course, mathematician experts, number theorists and analysts may disagree, that is healthy, intellectual and highly useful for humanity.

 Be careful about Carcinogenic Cyber Christians: Assessing the success or rather the impact, the Cyber-missions may all out to attack. So they start infiltrated with their cyber-expertise. As virus has been there affecting humanity, it has been there here also and we see the results. So we have to be careful about Carcinogenic Cyber Christians, who may be otherwise known as respectfully hackers and so on. The conversion of Indian civilization to Hindu civilization might be the reason for such cyber-invasion and infiltration.

 Hindus should not be just satisfied with Virtual pujas, Bajans, philosophy etc: Now, many Hindus are interested in Computers, Internet etc., because, they get wonderful-colourful pictures of Gods and Goddesses, Bajan-downloads, virtual pujas with all paraphernalia and so on.

 Of course, there are inter-religious skirmishes, philosophical debates with arrogance as usual, “I am modest treading middle-path or secular” type discussions. Here, over-zealous, pride and arrogant postings should be avoided, as the opponents may use such arguments against Hindus.

 Instead, they can discuss and debate about the rites, rituals and ceremonies conducted by them in different countries, how they differ, why divergence, why such differences are not made to India-criticizing scholars, etc., would be worthwhile.

 Hindus may get many e-mails regularly bombarding them to accept Christ for redemption. Of course from the desperate fundamentalist-fanatic categories, they may get threatening mails like “If you do not accept, you will go to hell” and so on. Of course, Hindus may get pornography also along with Jesus Christ or the Word of God with Satanic temptation! [I am not writing this with any wrong impression on Christians, with the past experience with Christians. My friends and I received hundreds of such letters, pamphlets and books from Christians, when Christian issues were discussed in Indian Express and other journals]. As time and space change, the tactics change but old-habits may not change.

 They may post some issues and divert or lead them to ticklish issues resulting in controversies. They may rehash the same old “Aryan-Dravidian”, anti-Brahmin like stuff. They may make personal attacks as a last resort. Or worst, they would accuse Hindus as “Hindutva-wadis”, “Saffron brigade”, “Hindu fundamentalists”, “Sanga parivar” and so on. Anyway, truth triumphs always.

 That is why I use to say often, we have to identify the Hindu-baiters, Hindu-enemies and Hindu-betrayers, expose them to all and treat them as such, as Hindu society cannot and could not produce or have such elements.

 Oh Hindus be ready.

kkVedaprakash <vedamvedaprakash@…>
To: hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:22:30 PM
Subject: [hc] Hindu Maya and Christian Cyber-missions, evangelism and Implications.

History, faith and Indian historians A rejoinder to Romila Thapar.

July 16, 2009
History, faith and Indian historians A rejoinder to Romila Thapar.
Published on September 29th, 2007 In Uncategorized |  Views 1116
The following is my response to the Editor, The Hindu. However, “The Hindu” has not been publishing views opposing to its ideology. Generally, it is said that N. Ram does not encourage anything that is against Marxism etc. Whatever, may be the fact, the copy is posted here for debate and discussion:A rejoinder to Romila Thapar Romila Thapar, an eminent historian of India has written her opinion in “The Hindu” under the caption, “Where fusion cannot work – faith and history” (The Hindu, September 28, 2007). For the article, see: http://www.thehindu.com/2007/0928/stories/2007092855231200.htm and with reference to this, I respond as follows:

Historians have never been honest in dealing with the historical issues involving faith and history, and there only faith and history have been brought into conflict. It is not fusing faith and history or vice versa. Historians know very well that it is their belief that history can be only based on what is written or has been written. It is their faith that they do not believe that if lived man of one million or 1 billon did not live if he has not left any historical record. But how scientists would say about it?

Historians believe about past events that they should have happened like this; at the same time other set of historians interpret that the same events could have happened in different way. Historians have accepted that they do not require any objectivity in their historical studies or methodology. So again, it their strong faith that they believe that objectivity is not required. But any other professional would accept it? Therefore historical faith and history cannot be independent. Without faith of the past or faith ion archaeological methods, historians cannot work independently. When historians have decided to differ, there would be difference only. Historians believed that Aryans invaded India destroyed Dravidians and so on. At that time itself, the believers and even Sanskrit scholars clarified that it was gross misinterpretation of Vedas. But none cared. Now, the historians have retracted, but the books remain containing such unhistorical writings. So how can their premises, their methods of enquiry, and their formulations be dissimilar?

You say, “When historians speak of the historicity of person, place, or event, they require evidence — singular or plural — that proves the existence of any of these and this evidence is based on data relating to space and time. The two important spaces in the Valmiki Ramayana are Ayodhya and Lanka, on the location of which scholarly opinion differs”. Yes, what are those “scholarly opinions”? An opinion is nothing but belief or faith only as their views is estimated depending upon their attitudes and outlook.

What you say about the foot print of Mohammed kept in Jama Masjid or the hair kept in a Kashmir mosque? Have you ever recommended for chemical analysis or DNA test? Have historians ever tried their scientific methodology? Where has gone their scientific temper? You claim, “It is said that the Ram Setu is cultural heritage and therefore cannot be destroyed even if it is a natural geological formation and not man-made. Has the idea become the heritage? To search for a non-existent man-made structure takes away from the imaginative leap of a fantasy and denies the fascinating layering of folk-lore”. When H. D. Sankalia [1972:46] asserted that there were no evidences for Asoka, Chandragupta Maurya etc., as no horizontal excavations had been done, historians did not worry and search for Asoka or Chandragupta. When Vincent Smith [1990:231-267] wrote that Asoka killed his brothers etc., you also repeated the song in your book [1963:20-54]. Accepting Kalhana as historian, you ignored the Asoka, as he recorded. So why can’t deny this Asoka and accept the Asoka of Kalhana? It is only “the majority idea / opinion / faith” that only this Asoka could be “Mauryan Asoka” in spite of lacking historical evidences, created and established one Asoka! So even existed person was consigned to imaginary leap of fantasy and made fable!

Even after the so-called “authorized / critical edition” [Vol I-1960, II-1962, III-1963, IV-1965, V-1966, VI-1971], the mention of different Ramayanas is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent.

As a historian, it is surprising that you have lied to the whole world like this:  “This does not happen with the biographies of those who were known to be historical figures and who founded belief systems: the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammad. Their biographies adhere largely to a single story-line and this helps to endorse the ‘official’ narrative of their life. Their existence is recorded in other sources as well that are not just narratives of their lives but have diverse associations. The historicity of the Buddha, for example, is established, among other things, by the fact that a couple of centuries after he died, the emperor Ashoka on a visit to Lumbini had a pillar erected to commemorate the Buddha’s place of birth. This is recorded in an inscription on the pillar”.

6      This does not happen with the biographies of those who were known to be historical figures and who founded belief systems: the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammad.

It is well known that there are no biographies of Buddha, Jesus Christ and Mohammed as you asserted. This is blatant lie. Give me references of such biographies. What was written after such existed or non-existed personalities after them perhaps even after 300 years cannot be a biography. About different Buddhas, I am surprised that you say nothing is there. You do not remember how a Buddha had to come to fight with Adi Sankara? Moreover, it is well known about the different versions of Jesus, Christs etc., even before and after the so-called Jesus Christ combine. About Mohammed, I am also afraid of giving details just like you. Any way, just I tell there are books – M. Cook [1983:65], P. Crone [1987:75-76], Ibn Warraq [1995:66-85].

6      Their biographies adhere largely to a single story-line and this helps to endorse the ‘official’ narrative of their life.

Why they should largely adhere to a single line? How this helps “official” narrative? How “official” it could be of “their life”? Why can’t you write as a historian instead of believer here?

That the “biographers” were compelled or forced to accept or adhere to a single line proves that many lines were left out. And still small number of biographers who did not adhere to a single line is also exposed. Then, what you are talking about? Majority view and minority view? Condemn the “lesser” and accept or approve the Larger”! Adhere to one-line and forget many lines! What sort of historian you are? That man Karunanidhi has become a senile man and talks differently. Do you also do the same think as a senile lady?

How you endorse such one-liners? Is there any historical methodology to that effect? Which University teaches such approving of one-line biography by eminent historians like you?

Do not fool Indians. Ernest Renan, J. M. Robertson and so many reputed authorities are there on the subject matter of Jesus Christ and Christianity. Any way, it is your cowardice gets exposed, as you never whispered anything, when there was much Christian opposition to screening of “Da Vinci Code”. However, when the so-called “Hindutva judgment” came out, you vociferously jumped and asserted that “We would go to Court”. Everything appeared in “the Hindu” itself with your face. Madam, what happened? But now you come siding with atheists, anti-Hindus, anti-nationals as a historian suppressing the recent past and forgetting your own past!

6      Their existence is recorded in other sources as well that are not just narratives of their lives but have diverse associations.

So also Rama.

Why then your argument goes differently.

In fact, their associations differ. But, Ramayana core story, as H. D. Sankalia in his “Ramayana Myth or Reality” that it had been there nearly for 3000 years [1972:62].

How “That their existences is recorded in other sources” help you to decide?

It may be noted that historians and scholars have pointed out that Christ story was copied from
Krishna! Rama was repeatedly mentioned in different literature not because of variance, but influence and impact created on the people well before 2500-3000 YBP. Was the Sangam poet a fool to record in his poem about his discussion with his army about the mode of crossing over the ocean to Lanka”. How that poet was imaging that that Lanka should have been the Lanka of Ramayana in his times i.e, 2500 – 3000 YBP?

6      The historicity of the Buddha, for example, is established, among other things, by the fact that a couple of centuries after he died, the emperor Ashoka on a visit to Lumbini had a pillar erected to commemorate the Buddha’s place of birth. This is recorded in an inscription on the pillar

Recently, there has been lot of information coming out as to how the British historians including the ASI officials, specifically Alois Anton Furher had fabricated the Stone Casket with Asokan inscriptions and planted there. For his forgey, he was dismissed from the service. The sudden disappearance of Buhler also intriguing in the context. For more details see: http://www.lumkap.org.uk . note now also the ASI officials are in a soup!

6      “From the point of view of archaeology and history, the Archaeological Survey of
India was correct in stating that there is to date no evidence to conclusively prove the historicity of Rama. The annulling of this statement was also a political act. Reliably proven evidence is of the utmost significance to history but not so to faith”.

The present ASI officials are not like A. A. Fuherer to fabricate or forge Asokan inscriptions or like John Marshall to suppress the ASI report of Banrejee. They could have verified the greatest Indian archaeologist view in their affidavit. But, evidently, being the stooges of politicians, as politicians they acted ad they would get the sack, unless they are innocent or have guts to expose the politicians, who ordered them to do so. Leave alone the ASI people. The ASGCS / other standing councils who drafted the affidavit, vetted the affidavits etc.., also are responsible. Therefore, if all acted as a gang to malign and blaspheme Rama, it is not history but mystery. And do not you think that such culprits should be punished?

6      Blasphemy does not lie in doubting historicity.

Yes, Romila you doubt the historicity of others also as listed – Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammed – Do not be contended with one-line official version. You are a historian. You should go by primary sources – historical documents. Nothing more, nothing less!

To what extent you can doubt the historicity of them along with Rama or otherwise, we are going to see. Or children will wait and see!

Of course the question of blasphemy, who will decide? The Courts? Let us see!

6      The historian is not required to pronounce on the legitimacy of faith. But the historian can try and explain the historical context to why, in a particular space and time, a particular faith acquires support. And we need to remind ourselves that our heritage has been constantly enriched not just by those of faith but also by those who contend with faith.

Yes, you know very well if you start analyzing with the legitimacy of faith of – Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammed.

So you decide which faith has to be supported in a particular space in time?

Accordingly, it is evident that you do not support the faith of Rama.

Yes, Rama baktas have been living with content even after what you historians have done in the case of Ramajanmabhumi issue.

Of course, they may not be knowing what your people have been doing in the Indian History Congress presenting papers taking Ayodhya to Afganisthan etc. Note that even in
Calicut, during last IHC, you have to live on Rama just like Karyu. The lady who got selected as GS said some thing on Rama! Poor Rama-baktas kept quite.

6      If there is a strong faith — in the religious sense — among millions of people, then it does not require to be protected through massive demonstrations and the killing of innocent persons, through political mobilisation. Nor do archaeology and history have to be brought in to keep that faith intact. Faith finds its own place and function, as do archaeology and history. And the place and function of each is separate.

Yeah, oh woman, you do not know how many Ramabaktas were burned and killed. You want Rama-baktas to forget everything. But try to interpret mischievously, what happened to the three in Bangalore. Note, it is because of Karu, that happened. Fighting with Karnataka, he earned enormous enmity with Kannadigas. And this man used to come there and say as he used to go to Gopalapuram and Oliver Road

. So not vulgarize the issue with your perversity. Do not suppress the facts.

The honesty of archeologists and historians, only Indians have to certify.

6      To say that the partial removal of an underwater formation in the Palk Straits is going to hurt the faith of millions is not giving faith its due. Is faith so fragile that it requires the support of an underwater geological formation believed to have been constructed by a deity?

You can blast Bamian Buddhas, you can destroy IVC. Like Aurangazeb you can go on demolish temples. Like Dr. F.J A. Flynn, you can smuggle artifacts and coins. Your historians and archaeologists aid and abet. But he would be caught red-handed in
Delhi airport. So demolish Rama-sethu! Yes, nothing will happen or happens.

6      Making faith into a political issue in order to win elections is surely offensive to faith?

Karu is doing that. Cong is coding that. None else links it with politics.

6      What is at issue is not whether Rama existed or not, or whether the underwater formation or a part of it was originally a bridge constructed at his behest. What is at issue is a different and crucial set of questions that require neither faith nor archaeology but require intelligent expertise: questions that are being willfully (sic) diverted by bringing in faith. Will the removal of a part of the natural formation eventually cause immense ecological damage and leave the coasts of south India and Sri Lanka open to catastrophes, to potential tsunamis in the future? Or can it be so planned that such a potentiality is avoided?

Scientists have discussed enough. I do not think you have ay competency here.

6      What would be the economic benefits of such a scheme in enhancing communication and exchange? Would the benefits reach out to local communities and if so, how? Equally important, one would like to know precisely what role will be played by the multinational corporations and their associates in
India. Who will finance and control the various segments of such an immense project? It is only when such details are made transparent that we will also get some clues to the subterranean activities that are doubtless already simmering. These are the questions that should be asked of this project and that at this point in time should be occupying public space.

Oh now, it is clear. You write like what Karu talked and talking. Do you have any alliance with Karu? The “Mount Road Maha Vishnu” has marriage alliance with Karu. You have connection with Ram. So also Karu, Kanimozhi and Ramajayam with “The Hindu”. So what is the alliance. At whose behest, you are writing and talking the language of Karunanidhi?

Any way thank you for exposing yourself.

Thank you for revealing that Karunanidhi, Congress, you and others are doing this only for election.

VEDAPRAKASH

(29-09-2007)

57, Poonamalle High Road,

Maduravoyal, Chennai – 602 102.

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