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The Christian illegal encroachment of Acharappakkam hillock portion and construction of Church complex disturbing ecology and the adjacent Hindu Temple! [2]

March 22, 2020

The Christian illegal encroachment of Acharappakkam hillock portion and construction of Church complex disturbing ecology and the adjacent Hindu Temple! [2]

Lawrence Pius, Pushpam and others visit to hillock

The case is coming up today March 23, 2020: Justices M. Sathyanarayanan and R. Hemalatha on Tuesday [25-02-2020] directed Additional Government Pleader R. Vijay Kumar to take notice on behalf of the Revenue Secretary as well as the Chengelpet Collector and obtain instructions by next month-March 2020[1]. The case is adjourned till the survey was over and fixing the next hearing on March 23, 2020[2]. According to Church version, “Pushpam Adigalar,” a Catholic priest held the charge of St. Joseph church, Acharappakkam in 1965. He reportedly started St. Joseph Elementary School for children there. There were no constructed structures until 2004, as being reported by the Tamil media[3].

Pushpam and another addressing at the hillock

How Mazhai Madha myth floated church constructed and the case started [2004 to 2017]:  In 2004, Backiya Regis took charge and he started construction of structures around the statue. It implies that there was a statue earlier and round which he started construction work. The mountain path was encroached and the work started at Pallippet, a Meikaal poromboke area [meant for grazing of cattle]. As vehicles carrying bricks, sand, CTD Bars and other construction materials, that path was encroached and converted into the road. The multi-storeyed buildings built. The Mazhai Madha church was reconstructed. To compete with and confuse the Hindu devotees, the Christians started “special prayers” on Paurnami days in 2005. As more and more Christian crowd started coming there from outside, the local people started objecting to such movements, as it caused a lot of nuisance. Whenever the local people complained to the respective authorities, they used to issue “warning notices” to the Church. They also used to have “dialogue” with the local people. However, the Church did not care and the authorities also did not take any action and thus the illegal activities went on, evidently with their co-operation and blessings. When all these illegal activities had been going on for many years, why, now the Tamil media coves this giving these details is also intriguing. To sum up, all the involved people have been doing this only because of certain extra-official and legal consideration.

Prayer tower built

Raja, a single man fights?: R. Raja told to the media, “When asked, the Revenue officials informed only four acres of meikaal poromboke land was encroached by the church authorities. But, when we went there to measure, it was revealed that they have encroached more than 60 acres of land. The hillock area coming under the forest department, mountain path and meikaal poromboke area and the areas covered under the department of Archaeology are involved. Initially, I sent registered letters to these departments pointing out the facts. As they did not take action, in other words, have been giving tacit support to the Church people I filed this petition before the Madras High Court”. But, here also, the intriguing factors have been, the authorities in question have been aiding and abetting for the last 14 years. Therefore, sending letters to the same authorities would be futile only. As the government officers change periodically, they do not bother about such letters, unless, they are addressed to their higher authorities, vigilance section etc. But what was done is not revealed in the news coverage. Therefore, as this petition has been in the court, it is right time that people like Subramanyam Swamy to take up and argue, as otherwise, for some flimsy technical reason, the petition would be rejected and the involved would be absolved from all the illegal and criminal activities.

Mazhai Madha Church - myth floated-complex-2

The massive Chruch complex has been built with an agenda: As the issue is critically analysed with circumstantial evidences, the present buildings, guest houses, hotels, road for vehicles and steps for devotees and other infrastructure, it is evident that all have been well-planned and executed with crores of money. Hundreds of lorries carrying construction materials had gone; thousands of workers involved and huge amounts disbursed. Thus, there should be enough documents for al such activities taken place. Moreover, in between, many foreigners were brought here, declaring this Church complex as “International Retreat Centre.” Therefore, all such details are also available. Thus, if the documents are asked for verification before the court, all facts would be out and the involvement of people, officials and departments would be exposed. How the Patta, current, drainage and so many sanctions and clearances have been given, which officers signed those documents would be known, as they are open to the public. Therefore, as the case is posted tomorrow, i.e, 23-03-2020, the concerned should observe the proceedings.

Mazhai Madha Church - myth floated-complex

The case should be argued/conducted properly: As pointed out the Court ordered to conduct a proper survey and report to the Court on March 23, 2020. But, the general public does not know what will happen. Who would appear/depose before the Judges, what details they submit etc. “We will redeem temples, reclaim, recover temples,” Temple protection Committees and so on. But, I could not find that any one of them filing a petition to tag themselves in the case. From 25-02-2020 to 23-03-2020, what happened is also not known to the public. Therefore, the case should be argued properly, As the church has already spent crores, they do not mind in spending moe to win the case, as their influence at all levels is well-known.  But, who would support Sothuppakkam R. Raja is not known. There has been one version that the area was leased to them for 99 years lease. If that is the case, who would unlease it? Therefore, as this petition has been in the court, it is right time that people like Subramanyam Swamy to take up and argue, as otherwise, for some flimsy technical reason, the petition would be rejected and the involved would be absolved from all the illegal and criminal activities, as pointed out above.

The 31st Plenary Assembly of the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of India (CCBI) of the Latin Church held in January 2019

The support extended to this illegal Church from Archbishop to the Vatican: A Catholic website, “Indian Catholic Matters – A New Home for the Community” gives the following details[4].  Inaugurating the 31st Plenary Assembly of the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of India (CCBI) of the Latin Church, in Chennai on January 9, 2019 [Wednesday], Archbishop Giambattista Diquattro, the Apostolic Nuncio to India and Nepal, exhorted the Church in India to pay attention to the needs of the humanity. His Eminence Oswald Cardinal Gracias, in his presidential address, made an appeal to the Church in India to revitalise the Evangelization and added to it he insisted “our Evangelization should be full of life, full of love for mission.” Archbishop Anil Cuoto, the Secretary-General read the annual report of the Conference. Archbishop George Antonysamy, the Vice President read the message of Holy Father Pope Francis and Cardinal Filoni the Prefect of Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples. Archbishop George added India needs the Church and the Church needs India. The Inaugural session began with the lighting of the lamp by the dignitaries.

Hillock encroached,CBCI discussed about it Jan.2019-1

Why Mazhai Madha Church is important and significant[5]: Most Rev. Dr. A. Neethinathan the Bishop of Chingleput in his welcome address listed out the reasons why Chingleput is the right place for this 31st Assembly, as it is the land of St. Thomas the Apostle, the Apostle of India and has as part of its diocese the Holy Hill of His Martyrdom. “The patron saint of the diocese St. Joseph, father figure of the Church who guards the Church. Mazhai Malai Madha our co-patroness the mother of the Church – who accompanied the early Church,” he said. Chingleput Diocese which comprises of the civil district of Kancheepuram is the place of other religious people live majority and provides us with the opportunity to be Joy of the Gospel. The seven days meeting of the Bishops will discuss the Theme “The Joy of the Gospel” and will look at the new forms of evangelization and the ways and means – to foster the Evangelization. The assembly will also discuss the matters affecting the Latin Catholic Church in India. There are 132 dioceses and 189 Bishops of the Latin Church in India. The Conference of the Catholic Bishops in India (CCBI) is the largest Episcopal conference in Asia and fourth in the world.

Hillock encroached,CBCI discussed about it Jan.2019-2

Do the Hindus have such congregation, commitment and work?: The Christians or Mohammedans or opposite ideologists have been working with commitment and highly professional with sophisticated training. Do the Hindus have such training and professionalism? Do the Hintutwa guys could match these people? Most of the guys appear whenever BJP is in power do something, earn money, stabilize themselves and keep quiet. If the BJP is out, they too disappear. But, the opposite ideologists have not been like that. They work continuously or committed people carry on the work for years. As otherwise, all these things could not happen, in spite of their sexual crimes, pedophile offences and other law-breaking sins or sinful law-breakings. So what is the response of Hindus?

© Vedaprakash

22-03-2020

Mazhai Madha Church - myth floated

[1] NEWS18, அரசு நிலத்தை ஆக்கிரமித்து தேவாலயம் கட்டப்பட்டதா? தமிழக அரசு பதிலளிக்க உயர் நீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவு!, LAST UPDATED: FEBRUARY 25, 2020, 3:35 PM IST.

[2] நியூஸ்.ஜே, மலையை ஆக்கிரமித்து தேவாலயம் அமைப்பு : தமிழக அரசு பதில் அளிக்க உயர் நீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவு, Feb 25, 2020 06:18 PM.

https://www.newsj.tv/view/tructure-of-the-church-occupying-the-mountain-:-High-Court-orders-response-of-the-Government-of-Tamil-Nadu-36956

[3] விகடன், அத்துமீறிய மழைமலை மாதா நிர்வாகம்சிதைக்கப்பட்ட மலைக்குன்று! உயர்நீதிமன்ற கெடுபிடி, பா. ஜெயவேல் Published:26-02-2020 at 7 PMUpdated:Yesterday at 7 PM.

https://www.vikatan.com/news/controversy/madras-high-court-seeks-a-report-on-acharapakkam-madha-shrine-land-issue

[4] ICM News,  Pay Attention to the Needs of Humanity, Apostolic Nuncio Urges Church, January 9, 2019 Team ICM News

[5] https://indiancatholicmatters.org/pay-attention-to-the-needs-of-humanity-apostolic-nuncio-urges-church/

History, faith and Indian historians A rejoinder to Romila Thapar.

July 16, 2009
History, faith and Indian historians A rejoinder to Romila Thapar.
Published on September 29th, 2007 In Uncategorized |  Views 1116
The following is my response to the Editor, The Hindu. However, “The Hindu” has not been publishing views opposing to its ideology. Generally, it is said that N. Ram does not encourage anything that is against Marxism etc. Whatever, may be the fact, the copy is posted here for debate and discussion:A rejoinder to Romila Thapar Romila Thapar, an eminent historian of India has written her opinion in “The Hindu” under the caption, “Where fusion cannot work – faith and history” (The Hindu, September 28, 2007). For the article, see: http://www.thehindu.com/2007/0928/stories/2007092855231200.htm and with reference to this, I respond as follows:

Historians have never been honest in dealing with the historical issues involving faith and history, and there only faith and history have been brought into conflict. It is not fusing faith and history or vice versa. Historians know very well that it is their belief that history can be only based on what is written or has been written. It is their faith that they do not believe that if lived man of one million or 1 billon did not live if he has not left any historical record. But how scientists would say about it?

Historians believe about past events that they should have happened like this; at the same time other set of historians interpret that the same events could have happened in different way. Historians have accepted that they do not require any objectivity in their historical studies or methodology. So again, it their strong faith that they believe that objectivity is not required. But any other professional would accept it? Therefore historical faith and history cannot be independent. Without faith of the past or faith ion archaeological methods, historians cannot work independently. When historians have decided to differ, there would be difference only. Historians believed that Aryans invaded India destroyed Dravidians and so on. At that time itself, the believers and even Sanskrit scholars clarified that it was gross misinterpretation of Vedas. But none cared. Now, the historians have retracted, but the books remain containing such unhistorical writings. So how can their premises, their methods of enquiry, and their formulations be dissimilar?

You say, “When historians speak of the historicity of person, place, or event, they require evidence — singular or plural — that proves the existence of any of these and this evidence is based on data relating to space and time. The two important spaces in the Valmiki Ramayana are Ayodhya and Lanka, on the location of which scholarly opinion differs”. Yes, what are those “scholarly opinions”? An opinion is nothing but belief or faith only as their views is estimated depending upon their attitudes and outlook.

What you say about the foot print of Mohammed kept in Jama Masjid or the hair kept in a Kashmir mosque? Have you ever recommended for chemical analysis or DNA test? Have historians ever tried their scientific methodology? Where has gone their scientific temper? You claim, “It is said that the Ram Setu is cultural heritage and therefore cannot be destroyed even if it is a natural geological formation and not man-made. Has the idea become the heritage? To search for a non-existent man-made structure takes away from the imaginative leap of a fantasy and denies the fascinating layering of folk-lore”. When H. D. Sankalia [1972:46] asserted that there were no evidences for Asoka, Chandragupta Maurya etc., as no horizontal excavations had been done, historians did not worry and search for Asoka or Chandragupta. When Vincent Smith [1990:231-267] wrote that Asoka killed his brothers etc., you also repeated the song in your book [1963:20-54]. Accepting Kalhana as historian, you ignored the Asoka, as he recorded. So why can’t deny this Asoka and accept the Asoka of Kalhana? It is only “the majority idea / opinion / faith” that only this Asoka could be “Mauryan Asoka” in spite of lacking historical evidences, created and established one Asoka! So even existed person was consigned to imaginary leap of fantasy and made fable!

Even after the so-called “authorized / critical edition” [Vol I-1960, II-1962, III-1963, IV-1965, V-1966, VI-1971], the mention of different Ramayanas is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent.

As a historian, it is surprising that you have lied to the whole world like this:  “This does not happen with the biographies of those who were known to be historical figures and who founded belief systems: the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammad. Their biographies adhere largely to a single story-line and this helps to endorse the ‘official’ narrative of their life. Their existence is recorded in other sources as well that are not just narratives of their lives but have diverse associations. The historicity of the Buddha, for example, is established, among other things, by the fact that a couple of centuries after he died, the emperor Ashoka on a visit to Lumbini had a pillar erected to commemorate the Buddha’s place of birth. This is recorded in an inscription on the pillar”.

6      This does not happen with the biographies of those who were known to be historical figures and who founded belief systems: the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammad.

It is well known that there are no biographies of Buddha, Jesus Christ and Mohammed as you asserted. This is blatant lie. Give me references of such biographies. What was written after such existed or non-existed personalities after them perhaps even after 300 years cannot be a biography. About different Buddhas, I am surprised that you say nothing is there. You do not remember how a Buddha had to come to fight with Adi Sankara? Moreover, it is well known about the different versions of Jesus, Christs etc., even before and after the so-called Jesus Christ combine. About Mohammed, I am also afraid of giving details just like you. Any way, just I tell there are books – M. Cook [1983:65], P. Crone [1987:75-76], Ibn Warraq [1995:66-85].

6      Their biographies adhere largely to a single story-line and this helps to endorse the ‘official’ narrative of their life.

Why they should largely adhere to a single line? How this helps “official” narrative? How “official” it could be of “their life”? Why can’t you write as a historian instead of believer here?

That the “biographers” were compelled or forced to accept or adhere to a single line proves that many lines were left out. And still small number of biographers who did not adhere to a single line is also exposed. Then, what you are talking about? Majority view and minority view? Condemn the “lesser” and accept or approve the Larger”! Adhere to one-line and forget many lines! What sort of historian you are? That man Karunanidhi has become a senile man and talks differently. Do you also do the same think as a senile lady?

How you endorse such one-liners? Is there any historical methodology to that effect? Which University teaches such approving of one-line biography by eminent historians like you?

Do not fool Indians. Ernest Renan, J. M. Robertson and so many reputed authorities are there on the subject matter of Jesus Christ and Christianity. Any way, it is your cowardice gets exposed, as you never whispered anything, when there was much Christian opposition to screening of “Da Vinci Code”. However, when the so-called “Hindutva judgment” came out, you vociferously jumped and asserted that “We would go to Court”. Everything appeared in “the Hindu” itself with your face. Madam, what happened? But now you come siding with atheists, anti-Hindus, anti-nationals as a historian suppressing the recent past and forgetting your own past!

6      Their existence is recorded in other sources as well that are not just narratives of their lives but have diverse associations.

So also Rama.

Why then your argument goes differently.

In fact, their associations differ. But, Ramayana core story, as H. D. Sankalia in his “Ramayana Myth or Reality” that it had been there nearly for 3000 years [1972:62].

How “That their existences is recorded in other sources” help you to decide?

It may be noted that historians and scholars have pointed out that Christ story was copied from
Krishna! Rama was repeatedly mentioned in different literature not because of variance, but influence and impact created on the people well before 2500-3000 YBP. Was the Sangam poet a fool to record in his poem about his discussion with his army about the mode of crossing over the ocean to Lanka”. How that poet was imaging that that Lanka should have been the Lanka of Ramayana in his times i.e, 2500 – 3000 YBP?

6      The historicity of the Buddha, for example, is established, among other things, by the fact that a couple of centuries after he died, the emperor Ashoka on a visit to Lumbini had a pillar erected to commemorate the Buddha’s place of birth. This is recorded in an inscription on the pillar

Recently, there has been lot of information coming out as to how the British historians including the ASI officials, specifically Alois Anton Furher had fabricated the Stone Casket with Asokan inscriptions and planted there. For his forgey, he was dismissed from the service. The sudden disappearance of Buhler also intriguing in the context. For more details see: http://www.lumkap.org.uk . note now also the ASI officials are in a soup!

6      “From the point of view of archaeology and history, the Archaeological Survey of
India was correct in stating that there is to date no evidence to conclusively prove the historicity of Rama. The annulling of this statement was also a political act. Reliably proven evidence is of the utmost significance to history but not so to faith”.

The present ASI officials are not like A. A. Fuherer to fabricate or forge Asokan inscriptions or like John Marshall to suppress the ASI report of Banrejee. They could have verified the greatest Indian archaeologist view in their affidavit. But, evidently, being the stooges of politicians, as politicians they acted ad they would get the sack, unless they are innocent or have guts to expose the politicians, who ordered them to do so. Leave alone the ASI people. The ASGCS / other standing councils who drafted the affidavit, vetted the affidavits etc.., also are responsible. Therefore, if all acted as a gang to malign and blaspheme Rama, it is not history but mystery. And do not you think that such culprits should be punished?

6      Blasphemy does not lie in doubting historicity.

Yes, Romila you doubt the historicity of others also as listed – Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammed – Do not be contended with one-line official version. You are a historian. You should go by primary sources – historical documents. Nothing more, nothing less!

To what extent you can doubt the historicity of them along with Rama or otherwise, we are going to see. Or children will wait and see!

Of course the question of blasphemy, who will decide? The Courts? Let us see!

6      The historian is not required to pronounce on the legitimacy of faith. But the historian can try and explain the historical context to why, in a particular space and time, a particular faith acquires support. And we need to remind ourselves that our heritage has been constantly enriched not just by those of faith but also by those who contend with faith.

Yes, you know very well if you start analyzing with the legitimacy of faith of – Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammed.

So you decide which faith has to be supported in a particular space in time?

Accordingly, it is evident that you do not support the faith of Rama.

Yes, Rama baktas have been living with content even after what you historians have done in the case of Ramajanmabhumi issue.

Of course, they may not be knowing what your people have been doing in the Indian History Congress presenting papers taking Ayodhya to Afganisthan etc. Note that even in
Calicut, during last IHC, you have to live on Rama just like Karyu. The lady who got selected as GS said some thing on Rama! Poor Rama-baktas kept quite.

6      If there is a strong faith — in the religious sense — among millions of people, then it does not require to be protected through massive demonstrations and the killing of innocent persons, through political mobilisation. Nor do archaeology and history have to be brought in to keep that faith intact. Faith finds its own place and function, as do archaeology and history. And the place and function of each is separate.

Yeah, oh woman, you do not know how many Ramabaktas were burned and killed. You want Rama-baktas to forget everything. But try to interpret mischievously, what happened to the three in Bangalore. Note, it is because of Karu, that happened. Fighting with Karnataka, he earned enormous enmity with Kannadigas. And this man used to come there and say as he used to go to Gopalapuram and Oliver Road

. So not vulgarize the issue with your perversity. Do not suppress the facts.

The honesty of archeologists and historians, only Indians have to certify.

6      To say that the partial removal of an underwater formation in the Palk Straits is going to hurt the faith of millions is not giving faith its due. Is faith so fragile that it requires the support of an underwater geological formation believed to have been constructed by a deity?

You can blast Bamian Buddhas, you can destroy IVC. Like Aurangazeb you can go on demolish temples. Like Dr. F.J A. Flynn, you can smuggle artifacts and coins. Your historians and archaeologists aid and abet. But he would be caught red-handed in
Delhi airport. So demolish Rama-sethu! Yes, nothing will happen or happens.

6      Making faith into a political issue in order to win elections is surely offensive to faith?

Karu is doing that. Cong is coding that. None else links it with politics.

6      What is at issue is not whether Rama existed or not, or whether the underwater formation or a part of it was originally a bridge constructed at his behest. What is at issue is a different and crucial set of questions that require neither faith nor archaeology but require intelligent expertise: questions that are being willfully (sic) diverted by bringing in faith. Will the removal of a part of the natural formation eventually cause immense ecological damage and leave the coasts of south India and Sri Lanka open to catastrophes, to potential tsunamis in the future? Or can it be so planned that such a potentiality is avoided?

Scientists have discussed enough. I do not think you have ay competency here.

6      What would be the economic benefits of such a scheme in enhancing communication and exchange? Would the benefits reach out to local communities and if so, how? Equally important, one would like to know precisely what role will be played by the multinational corporations and their associates in
India. Who will finance and control the various segments of such an immense project? It is only when such details are made transparent that we will also get some clues to the subterranean activities that are doubtless already simmering. These are the questions that should be asked of this project and that at this point in time should be occupying public space.

Oh now, it is clear. You write like what Karu talked and talking. Do you have any alliance with Karu? The “Mount Road Maha Vishnu” has marriage alliance with Karu. You have connection with Ram. So also Karu, Kanimozhi and Ramajayam with “The Hindu”. So what is the alliance. At whose behest, you are writing and talking the language of Karunanidhi?

Any way thank you for exposing yourself.

Thank you for revealing that Karunanidhi, Congress, you and others are doing this only for election.

VEDAPRAKASH

(29-09-2007)

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