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After the bones of “doubting Thomas,” now, we have “Skulls of doubtful Thomas” everywhere!

May 10, 2018

After the bones of “doubting Thomas,” now, we have “Skulls of doubtful Thomas” everywhere!

Tombs of Thomas in different countries

The Christian myths, manufacture of relics and fabrication of evidences excel science and technology: Even though Vincet Smith asserted, “Even Apostle can die but for once,” the “Thomas myth” does not die with one body, one skull, one skeleton and so on! Defeating the mathematical progression, they have been increasing day by day in all continents, countries and counties. Yet, from the Pope to Pastor, they enjoy the “myths of Jesus, Christ, Jesus Christ” and so on along with Mary’s girdle, milk etc., without any blush, shame or embarrassment. The “mythical Thomas” could have travelled all over the globe, dying many times, leaving skeletons, skulls and bones everywhere, so that they could be collected, kept in Churches and venerated faithfully. The biology, bio-technology, genetics, cloning, and other sciences have to take alms from them. Ironically, the Indian academicia[1] and journalists[2] have been also aiding and abetting in promoting such myths, frauds and criminal acts without any shame.  Though, the discourse about “Scientific and secular methodology” and “scientific temple” and all, they do not wok here.

The finger of claimed to be of Thomas is kept in Church in Rome.

Praying before skeletons and bones – the Indian and Italian ways: The bones and skulls of “Doubting and doubting Thomas” provoke people all over the world. Ivarfjeld[3], pointed out the curious practices followed by the Catholic Christians as follows, “On December 2009 this Catholic priest in Italy bowed and prayed before a box which contain the claimed skeleton of Thomas the Apostle of Jesus. The priest pray to a skeleton in a box inside the altar at the Basilica of St. Thomas in Ortona, Italy (how they pray kneeling down). The photos taken on feast of Saint Thomas the Apostle, December 21, 2009. The most amazing parts of this picture is not that a Roman Catholic priest bow and pray in front of a relic box. But rather that the relic box includes a skeleton, whom the Vatican claim is of “St. Thomas the Apostle”.

Bust of the Apostle St Thomas in the Basilica in Ortona church

Doubting Thomas has tombs everywhere!: Ivarfjeld continues[4], “Take a look at the remains, kept inside the box inside this claimed to be a “Church in Italy” (colour photo of Ortona skull). The skeleton displayed on an Indian website (pointing to the photo, with keft-right orientation changed). To avoid people accusing me of faking this skeleton photo, this is the link to the publisher[5]: We have to thank Catholic bloggers for exposing such acts of wickedness[6]. It is hardly possible to bow deeper than this is front of bones (as such practice was not allowed). The Portuguese opened a Tomb of “St. Thomas” in Kerala in 1523 A.D.  So this “saint” had two Catholic tombs at the same time. One of them in Italy. The problem with “good old skeletons” is that they are difficult to identify. In particular skeletons that was picked up in India.  In India “St. Thomas” has at lest three claimed burial sites”.

Bust of the Apostle St Thomas in the Basilica in Ortona church.two models

The worship of corpses, skulls and bones within the Roman Catholic religion Ivarfjeld explains, “This is what a well known Roman Catholic blogger has recorded, “ This is the tomb of Saint Thomas the Apostle located in the little town of Ortona in the Abruzzi.  Thomas was transfixed with spears and martyred in about 68-72 in the south of India, in Mylapore (Mylapour), a suburb of Madras.  Before that he preached the Gospel to the Parthians, Medes, Persians and Hyrcanians before he arrived in India.  By order of the king he was killed and his remains were later brought to Edessa in Mesopotamia and then here to Ortona in the year 1258”. Source: Blogger (link not displayed). My comment: The Roman Catholic Church is an amazing collector of corpses, skulls and bones. And even whole skeletons, which later has been cut into pieces, and sold as relics. I am honored, that my Lord and God can use me to expose all this, so that the eyes of the blind might be opened. Luke 8:17, “For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open”. I do not know any other websites with such a collection of articles that expose worship of corpses, skulls and bones within the Roman Catholic religion”.

Thomas skeleton fake- photos are faked

Manufacture of Thomas relics and myths: Ivarfjeld concluded as follows, In the example of Thomas the Apostle, his bones are kept in several location in Italy, and also in India. His rather fragmented skeleton in the little town of Ortona in Italy. A finger in Basilica di Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome. The right arm is kept for display in The Marthoma Pontifical Shrine in Thrissur in Kerala in India. Which was claimed to be the site of his tomb already in 1523 A.D. The finger of claimed to be of Thomas is kept in Church in Rome (photo). The Greek Orthodox church claim this is the skull of Apostles Thomas held at Pathmos (photo). The right hand of claimed to be Thomas is kept in Thrissur in Kerala since 1953 (photo). His full skull is also claimed to be kept in Monastery of St. John the Theologian, Patmos in Greece. If you buy all this fraud, there is basically nothing I can do to help you. You live in such a bondage to the Papacy, that you will not repent regardless of what scandals and insanity that will be reported from within this movement. The example of claimed to be the Apostle Thomas is grim. The “saint” has two Roman Catholic tombs. One in India and one in Italy. The Portuguese and the Italian seems not to have coordinated their religious claims. Fraud is the only suitable word for this. Jesus the Messiah is alive. He will show mercy to all who repent, and are willing to renounce this systematically invented evil”.

Thomas skull fraud- Pathmos, St George, Greece

St. Thoma skull at the church in Navestock, Essex, UK: Robert Richard Tighe and Jamed Edward Davis recorded as follows[7]: “The relics inclosed in some of them comprised –

  1. a portion of the milk of the Virgin Mary,
  2. parts of the skulls of St. Bartholomew and
  3. parts of the skulls of St. Thomas the Apostle.
  4. Tables and branches of silver and silver gilt stood on the high altar, one of the branches containing an arm-bone of St. William of York (” which can be seen”), and another, part of an arm of St. George.
  5. The relics not inclosed comprised –
  6. an arm-bone of St. Osytho,
  7. an arm-bone of St- Richard, and
  8. bones of St. Margaret Queen of Scotland,
    1. Thomas of Hereford,
    2. David,
    3. William of England, and
    4. William of York;
  9. part of the jaw-bone of St. Mark, containing fourteen teeth;
  10. a bone of St. Gerard,
  11. a rib of one of the eleven thousand virgins,
  12. bones of St. Maurice and St. Elizabeth,
  13. a rib of St. Vitale,
  14. part of the brain of St. Eustace; and
  15. in a separate division were –
    1. a bone of St. George,
    2. parts of the Lord’s supper table and
    3. of the Virgin Mary’s tomb, and
    4. some of St. Thomas of Canterbury’s blood.
  16. There was also one of the stones with which good Stephen was stoned,
  17. a breast-bone of the good Archbishop Edmund,
  18. a shirt of St. Thomas the Martyr,
  19. a white girdle given by St. John the Evangelist to St. Mary, and
  20. a small part of the skull of St. Thomas the Apostle, and
  21. a candle end of the Virgin Mary.”

Here, “parts of the skulls of St. Thomas the Apostle” and “a small part of the skull of St. Thomas the Apostle”,  are interestng and intriguing, ad they are appearing again and again and everywhere.

St. Thomas the Apostle in Navestock, Essex, UK

St. Thoma skull at the church in Navestock, Essex, UK: The details given are reproduced as follows[8]: “St. Thomas the Apostle in Navestock, Essex, is an example of a church which should not have survived the Second World War. One night in 1940 a Luftwaffe parachute ‘landmine’ [a sea mine deliberately dropped on land as a high capacity blast bomb] floated down out of the night sky and exploded in the churchyard just a few feet from the church. The powerful blast ripped right through the building destroying all but four tiny fragments of the church’s stained glass and seriously damaging the spire and roof. The then vicar, Rev George Bishop, managed to arrange for tarpaulins and other temporary roofing during the war years but major repairs were not completed until 1954. The shallow blast crater left by the landmine remains in the churchyard next to the path and is, today, marked by a sundial. Navestock is an imposing church of 11th and 12th century date but which was largely rebuilt in the 13th and 14th centuries including the addition of the prominent timber belfry tower. The tower has been radio-carbon dated to 1120AD to 1240AD. This tower is constructed of four inclined posts stabilised with long passing braces which are jointed with ‘archaic lap joints’. The present bells date back to the early 15th century. The church’s massive organ was a gift from a private house but was moved to its present postion in 1954 when an upper gallery was demolished as part of the post-war renovation[9]. Internally the church has a nave and chancel with a south aisle – the aisle being built about the same time as the belfry tower and on the same alignment. The aisle is divided from the nave by a series of ‘stone’ arches which are not stone at all. As revealed nearer to the chancel, the arches are actually wooden structures which were plastered over to resemble stone. A detail photograph elsewhere in this set shows the method that was used to achieve this. Internally there are numerous monuments dating back to the 1600s, many for the Waldegrave family who were prominent local landowners”.

© Vedaprakash

07-05-2018

St. Thomas the Apostle in Navestock, Essex, UK-2

[1] In the so-called History congress conferences, they encourage papers on spreading such myths. Particularly, the academicia of Kerala aid, abet and promte such myths.

[2] They carry out such myths, very often, along with history, tourism and so on, kowingly, as they are Christians, crypto-Christians or promoted by Christians.

[3]  Ivarfjeld, Praying before a box with a skeleton named “St.Thomas”, FEBRUARY 2, 2013.

[4] https://ivarfjeld.com/2013/02/02/bowing-and-praying-before-a-box-with-a-skeleton/

[5] Referring to Iswar Sharan blog

[6] Perhaps, he mistook “Ishwar Sharan” as one of such “Catholic” bloggers!

  1. parts of the skulls of St. Thomas the Apostle.

Green…, London,1858,  p. 232

[8] https://www.flickr.com/photos/barryslemmings/250395628/

[9] www.flickr.com/photos/barryslemmings/sets/72157594296068311/is the full set for Navestock church.

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“Thomas myth” raked up by the Kerala Church to suppress the multi-crore land scam racist, liturgical and  catechetical problems (2)

April 17, 2018

“Thomas myth” raked up by the Kerala Church to suppress the multi-crore land scam racist, liturgical and  catechetical problems (2)

Discussing Thomas myth- Thelakkat and Narayanan

G. S. Narayanan pointed out that Kerala was not habituated during first centuries: Noted historian M G S Narayanan said there were no historic documents to suggest that St Thomas had come to India for evangelisation work[1]. “There were no human habitations here at that time in Kerala. There was only forest here. How would he visit such a place? For what? . Human settlements began towards the end of Mauryan dynasty, he said. It is common for religious heads and political parties to twist history for their benefit, he told a Malayalam TV channel. The Syrian Christian community in Kerala believes that St Thomas came to this part in AD 52 and had established churches. The community considers St Thomas as the ‘Father in Faith’ of Christians in India. The Syro-Malabar Church has over 30 dioceses in the country and four outside– in the U.S.A., Canada, Australia and Britain–serving over five million faithful. M.G.S. Narayanan had earlier questioned the claim[2]. “Thomashleeha (as St. Thomas is known in Kerala) is an imaginary thing. He is one of the apostles. He should be Christ’s contemporary. If he had come to Kerala, there would have been only forests in Kerala, let alone Brahmins,” Narayanan told Outlook. “Syrian Christians’ trade relations with Kerala started in 2nd and 3rd century. Brahmins came as a hegemonic community in Kerala only in 8th Century,” he said. Pius Melekandathil, professor at the Centre for Historical Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), who is an expert on maritime history and church history, admitted that it is a matter of dispute however saying that the probability factor has to be taken into consideration.

Geevargheese Mor Cooilos denies Brahmins were converted by Thomas
The Bishop, Geevarghese Mor Coorilos asserted that Thomas never converted Brahmins[3]: The Bishop of Niranam diocese, historically one of the oldest dioceses of the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church in Kerala, has criticized the upper caste tendencies among believers fuelled by a “mythical” belief that St. Thomas converted Brahmins to Christianity in Kerala[4]. It is also widely believed that St Thomas, one of the 12 apostles of Christ, had converted members of top Brahmin families in Kerala to Christianity. Though the Abrahamic faith is devoid of caste hierarchies, Christian families often hold get-togethers to celebrate their lineage and put out books proclaiming their Brahmin origin[5].  The Bishop, Geevarghese Mor Coorilos, however, in a Facebook post announced[6] that he would not attend any such get-togethers, dubbing them as “programs to assert their artificially created upper caste identity and lineage.” “They say their ancestors were Brahmins converted by St. Thomas. They even put out their family history in books proclaiming such false notions. These baseless, savarna caste-oriented and reactionary myths have to be busted,” read his statement in Malayalam, adding, “I did attend such events due to my personal intimacy with them. But, I regret it. I can’t (do it) any more”.

Geevarghese Mor Coorilos asserts that Brahmins not converted by Thomas

Supporting Brahmin or Dalit – the Church divided: “It is a matter of debate. But, many historians have seen it as highly probable and reliable. The earliest reference to St. Thomas preaching gospel to Brahmins is from St. Jerome of 4th century. Among the converts , the Brahmin converts seem to have been quite significant enough to attract the special attention of St. Jerome, who mentions that the apostle went “ut Christus apud Brachmanas praedicaret” (to preach Christ to the Brahmins),” he said. “This needs more investigation. It is more nuanced and complex. Brahmin does not mean one single category of social group. There were different categories of Brahmins in Kerala. It was not a period where there was absence of Brahmins. It’s true they came as a hegemonic group only in 8th Century. But, there were Brahmins as scattered and fragmented community even before that. Duties and obligations of Brahmins under Chera empire are mentioned in Sangam literature,” he said. Melekandathil also said that there are written documents of maritime trade agreement between Muziris (in Kerala) and Alexandria from 2nd century obtained from Vienna archive in 1985. The Bishop, who also serves the World Council of Churches as moderator of its Commission on World Mission and Evangelism (CWME), later added, “Many address me as ‘Thirumeni’, a myth created by the upper caste[7]. They can call me a friend or father. If they want it to be formal, it can be Bishop. We have to change and should change many things,” To make his point, the Bishop quoted writer OV Vijayan’s statement “The English language is the best weapon to challenge the caste”.  He had also supported the hartal organised by Dalit outfits on 09-04-2018, Monday. “Normally, I do not support hartals as such protests in Kerala have not served their purpose. But I support the Dalit hartal wholeheartedly as it is against the atrocities faced by the marginalised sections under the fascist and feudal system. The people who are opposing the strike should introspect over their approach and mentality to the caste system and Dalits,” he posted on Facebook[8].

SC- converted christians- controversy

Catholic drama of caste, casteism and savarna: Fr. Paul Thelakat, former Syro Malabar Church spokesperson, echoed Coorilose’s statement. “In India we have bane that we irrespective of our religion have Manu sleeping within our consciousness. Everyone wants to establish one’s own upper caste glory. It is found in the ancient Christians of Kerala e.g certain families claiming to have been baptised from Brahmin families by St Thomas himself. St Thomas is supposed to have come to Kerala, it would be in the first century. Brahmins came to south India only in the 8th century. I am sorry to say upper caste mentality can be found also in Marxists in Kerala. Even though Marxism has a universal humanistic ideology, we find the upper caste surname kept, like Nampoodirpad, Menon, Pillai, Nair etc,” he said. Firm on his position despite the sharp and mixed reactions to his statement, Coorilos later wrote on the same post: “I am adding this after reading many comments to this post. Many of you are calling me ‘Thirumeni’ (a feudal honorific). That’s also a product of the savarna consciousness. You can call me a friend or Father. Or, if you want to make it more formal, you can call me Bishop.” “(Writer) OV Vijayan had said that English is the best weapon to resist caste. We must change. Change is must,” he said.

Church corrects Thelekkat - MM- 15-04-2018

Rs 80 crores land sold for Rs 27.30 crore: Just like Vatican, the Indian Church has also been involved in many scandals from sex to money swindling and other activities. Particularly, from Kerala, the crimes related to the Church have been horrible from murder, sex and financial scams involving all types of priests, bishops and cardinals also. Pressure is mounting on Cardinal George Alencherry, head of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church based in Kerala, to resign after allegations that church land had been sold below market value in a deal that he had approved. Alencherry, 72, was ordained as a Cardinal, a priest of the highest rank in the Roman Catholic Church, by Pope Benedict XVI in February 2012. He is one of only five Cardinals in India. The deal in question concerns the sale of three acres of land in Kochi by the Ernakulam archdiocese in 2016 to repay a Rs 60-crore bank loan it had taken to build a medical college. The agent appointed by the church to conduct the deal had estimated the value of the land at Rs 27.30 crore, but the church has so far received only Rs 9.13 crore of that amount. However, priests and lay people critical of the action claim that the plot was actually worth at least Rs 80 crores However, Kerala Catholic Bishops Council (KCBC) doesn’t seemed to be amused over the controversy. “There is no need to discuss the issue now. Those who raised the issue should solve it,” said KCBC official spokesperson Fr Varghese Vallikkatt[9]. But church sources pointed that Fr Thelakkat’s statement was made in connection with the ongoing land controversy in the Eranakulam-Angamali archdiocese and the tiff between the Ernakulam-Angamali diocese and the Changanacherry archdiocese respectively[10].

© Vedaprakash

17-04-2018

CPM organises 'BEEF FESTIVAL' inaugurated by 'Fr' Paul Thelakkat. Reported with glee by 'THE HINDU'.

[1] Covai Post Network, Historian Narayanan rubbishes St Thomas’s visit to Kerala to convert Hindus, April 15, 2018.

[2] https://www.covaipost.com/kerala-news/historian-narayanan-rubbishes-st-thomass-visit-to-kerala-to-convert-hindus/

[3] Indian express, Kerala Jacobite Church Metropolitan Geevarghese Mor Coorilos fires salvo at faithful’s ‘false beliefs’, By Express News Service | Published: 10th April 2018 03:24 AM, Last Updated: 10th April 2018 03:24 AM

[4] http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/apr/10/kerala-jacobite-church-metropolitan-geevarghese-mor-coorilos-fires-salvo-at-faithfuls-false-belief-1799309.html

[5] Outlook, Bishop Demolishes The Biggest Conversion ‘Myth’ of Kerala , 13 APRIL 2018 Last Updated at 5:21 PM.

[6] https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/bishop-demolishes-the-biggest-conversion-myth-of-kerala/310974

[7] News.18, Histories of Old Christian Families in Kerala ‘Fabricated’, Chandrakanth Viswanath | News18Updated:April 10, 2018, 11:45 PM IST.

[8] https://www.news18.com/news/india/kerala-syrian-church-bishop-calls-histories-of-old-christian-families-in-kerala-fabricated-1714533.html

[9] Times of India, Fresh row in church over St Thomas’s ‘visit’ to Kerala, TNN | Apr 13, 2018, 10:50 IST

[10] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/fresh-row-in-church-over-st-thomass-visit-to-kerala/articleshow/63742878.cms

 

“Thomas myth” raked up by the Kerala Church to suppress the multi-crore land scam racist, liturgical and  catechetical problems (1)

April 17, 2018

“Thomas myth” raked up by the Kerala Church to suppress the multi-crore land scam racist, liturgical and  catechetical problems (1)

Saint Thomas myth book - Tamil and English

Why “Thomas myth” raises head then and there?: Definitely, 120 or 130 crores of Indians, hardly few lakhs would be worried about the myth, fable, legend, story, tale, parable etc., about Thomas, doubting Thomas, doubtful Thomas or saint Thomas of any category, character or thing. However, the fanatic Christians, in spite of unhistorical nature, then and there used to repeat like parrot, “St. Thomas visited India”! Even, I  did not know anything about this. However, when the nuisance interfered with academic curriculum of the schools, I brought out a book “Saint Thomas myth in India” in 1989[1], exposing the useless, utter nonsense and unhistorical narratives spread not in accordance with history or with historical analysis. Ishwar Sharan brought out “Mylapore Siva Temple and Myth of Saint Thomas” in 1991[2] and 2010[3] [these books can be downloaded from the links provided at the footnotes]. As 90% of Indians have been secular, they do not bother about such myths, as they are concerned about their livelihood, attending to family affairs and other important work. Yet, the Christians used to disturb them with the fairy tales. So now, in 2018, the myth has started exploding again for unknown reasons. First, the rivalry among the “Thomas church” groups was reported, later turning into multi-crore land scam involving cardinal, bishops, and other Christian priests. As Indians used to think, “It is all their internal affair,” they read, heard and ignored the news and reports. But, the Christians want to draw attention of others. So the myth-debate has started.

Attack on Chidananda sami and promoting Ghulam Ali

Attack on Hindus, Hindu religion etc: Unlike other states, in Kerala, not only, the Hindu population is less, but, also, Hindus are targeted by the dominant, Communist, Mohammedan and Christian forces by many means. Now, everything is viewed in political perspective as 2019 General elections are nearing. Moreover, in Kerala, the power has gone to the Communists from the Congress.

Religion Population %
Hindus 1,82,82,492 54.73
Muslims 88,73,472 26.56
Christians 61,41,269 18.38

Evidently, the 55% Hindu population has been divided mainly by communist ideology and secularist principles followed and of course, the caste division of the Hindus. However, the slogan “Congress-mukt Bharat” has caught up the educated elite of the Keralites and some of them have started drifting towards BJP, mainly because of the charismatic leadership of Modi. Even Congress leaders like Shashi Tharoor have appreciated Modi. The Christian clergy has been having dialogue with RSS cadre. However, the uncompromising Marxists and Mohammedans have been fighting with right-wing groups in Kerala, many times leading to violence. Under such circumstances, the Church in Kerala might resort to strategy to target Hindus under the guise of raking up “Brahmin-SC/Dalit” issue under the bogey of “thomas myth,” as that serves them in many ways.

Church refutes -corrects Thelekkat - Mathru Bhumi- 15-04-2018

The Syro-Malabar Church issued statement refuting Fr Paul Thelakkat who reportedly declared that “st Thomas never came to India”: The “Thomas-myth” has been the worst type of falsified Christian propaganda circulated in India, in spite of historians making tall claims about “secular history, “secular temper” to deal with history and all. Perhaps, in recent times, it has come out in the media. Amid a controversy triggered by reported remarks of a senior priest questioning the belief that St Thomas visited India in AD 52[4], the Syro-Malabar Church today said the disciple of Jesus Christ did visit India[5]. “The official stand of the Syro-Malabar Church is that St Thomas had visited India”, the Church said in a statement here[6]. The statement was issued after Fr Paul Thelakkat, a former spokesperson of the church, last week [08-04-2018, Sunday] reportedly said there was no evidence to suggest that St Thomas had come to India[7]. Some newspapers and TV news channels quoting former spokesperson of the Syro Malabar Church had reported there is no evidence to prove St Thomas had come to India[8]. Some media even said this is the official stand of Syro-Malabar Church. “This is baseless…,” it said. The Syro-Malabar Church originated from the evangelisation works of St Thomas, said the statement issued by Bishop Sebastian Vaniyappurackal[9]. “World famous historians have accepted it as a fact. Many historic documents are there to support this,” he said. The “Business Standard” carried the story with caution[10]. The propagandist church however did not name such “World famous historians”!

Fr Thelakkad Denies Saying That St Thomas Did not Visit Kerala, Mathrubhumi
Fr Thelakkat clarifies that he never questioned the belief of his coming but converting Brahmins: Evidently perturbed by the Church attack, Fr Thelakkat today [15-04-2018] said he had never made a statement about the traditional belief that St Thomas had come to India. He clarified he had made certain remarks regarding prevailing upper caste feelings in Church while joining a debate kick started by Bishop Geevarghese Mor Coorilos of the Niranam diocese of the Jacobite Syrian Church on the issue. After all, Catholic priest cannot go against the hierarchy, Pope and the Vatican. “We should not rely on glory of a caste or tribe. That is dangerous,” Thelakkat told PTI. The Jacobite priest had recently criticised some church members for conducting hollow family meetings. He had said in a Facebook post that some of the families believe in fake myths that their forefathers were members of the Brahmin community and St Thomas converted them to Christianity. These kinds of false beliefs should be broken, he had said. Whether Brahmins were or not, the motive behind such belief, the drama of opposing and supporting myth etc., in the context has to be analysed.

SC- converted christians- controversy

Christians cannot fool, hoodwink or suppress Indians for their denominations existing for their ow reasons: Syrian Christians are divided mainly into Syrian Catholic, Jacobite, Orthodox, Marthoma churches depending upon whether they owe their allegiance to the Pope in Rome, the Patriarch in Antioch, Catholicos in Kerala’s Kottayam or Metropolita in Thiruvalla. In other words, it is their theological, liturgical, catechetical problem as to how they have been divided or to be divided. They just want to provoke Hindus by raising the casteist issue to suppress their racist and denominational divisions. Coorilos, who belongs to Jacobite Church, has mercilessly swung an axe at the root of the age-old belief that is pervasive across all the four sects – that their ancestors are Namboodiris who were converted to Christianity by St Thomas. It also questions the existence of churches like Malayatoor that is famously believed to be the meditative halt of St Thomas during his Kerala leg of his sojourn. Brahmins’ conversion to Christianity under St. Thomas had been a point of dispute for long. .

The Papal bull Gregory VX accommmodating caste

Caste and Christianity – Pope’s tactful accommodation: The Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) has definitely accepted the caste. The Bull of Pope Gregory XV, “Bulla Romanae Sedis Antistitis”, dated 31 January 1623, accedes to the requests of the missionaries to accommodate themselves to certain caste practices and usages of the new converts[11]. Why not then the present Pope annul the Papal Bull issued, instead of recollecting what he had said in 1986. In fact, after his visit, there had been so many “caste problems and issues” within the Indian Church. The Supreme Court itself pronounced that if the Chuch wants reservation based on untouchability and caste, such factors of existence in Christianity should be proven (Soosai vs UOI – AIR 1986). Then, started the research of Athony Raj, SJ with funds to prove that untouchability and Caste system were there in Christianity and practiced even today. The Dutch Reformed Church of South Africa (DRC) has separate Churches for whites, black and coloured ones. The Apartheid Enquiry Committee in its report clearly pointed out that the Bible was responsible for caste like division. Why then even in non-Indian societies such divisions should exist?

© Vedaprakash

17-04-2018

caste, christianity, SC- reservation

[1] The Tamil book, book “Saint Thomas myth in India” – can be downloaded from here –https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AE9JnTvwIEO8PVc&cid=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6&id=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6%21144&parId=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6%211423&o=OneUp

[2]  Ishwar Sharan’’s “Mylapore Siva Temple and Myth of Saint Thomas” 1991 edition can be downloaded from here – https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AFZpdl8nyZY-SGE&cid=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6&id=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6%211429&parId=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6%211423&o=OneUp

[3]Ishwar Sharan’’s “Mylapore Siva Temple and Myth of Saint Thomas” 2010 edition can be downloaded from here –https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21APmNJmffAGILUmY&cid=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6&id=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6%21154&parId=F97FE5FFAA8BA3D6%211423&o=OneUp

[4] Note in spite of the fact that CE and BCE notations are used by  historians and researchers, the media persons still use the “christian” notations!

[5] Malayala Manorma, Church corrects Fr Thelekkatt, says there is proof of St Thomas visiting India, Sunday April 2018 08:28 PM IST.

[6] https://english.manoramaonline.com/news/kerala/2018/04/15/st-thomas-church-india.html

[7] Mathrubhumi, Syro-Malabar Church refutes Fr.Paul Thelakkat’s remark on St. Thomas’ India visit.,, Published: Apr 15, 2018, 02:27 PM IST……

[8] http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/syro-malabar-church-refutes-fr-paul-thelakkat-s-remark-on-st-thomas-india-visit-1.2744403

[9] Business Standard, Church says St Thomas visited India, Press Trust of India | Kochi, Last Updated at April 15, 2018 19:35 IST; First Published: Sun, April 15 2018. 19:35 IST.

[10] This is the appened warning: (This story has not been edited by Business Standard staff and is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.)

http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/church-says-st-thomas-visited-india-118041500554_1.html

[11] http://hindooraashtrcom.fatcow.com/pdf/Caste-in-Christianity-Papal-Bull.pdf

Thomas myth spread by Historians – Historian-liars on the increase in India!

October 17, 2015

Thomas myth spread by Historians – Historian-liars on the increase in India!

I was surprised to see an article / paper written by one Dr. K. Sadasivan, Professor & Head. Department of History, Manonmaniam Sundaranar University, Tirunelveli appearing in the “Journal of Indian History and Culture” (JIHC) March 2003, Tenth issue, published by C. P. Ramaswami Iyer Institute of Indological Research, The C. P. Ramaswami Aiyar Foundation, 1, Eldams Road, Chennai – 600 018. The journal is edited by Dr. G. J. Sudhakar and the editorial board consists of –

  Dr. K. V. Raman,

  Dr. R. Nagaswami,

  Dr, T. K. Venkatasubramanian and

  Dr. Nandita Krishna.

The editor in his note recorded –

“Dr. K. Sadasivan, of Manonmaniam Sundaranar University has added his scholarship to this issue through his paper “Early Tamil oral, Literary and Archaeological traditions and St. Thomas Christians

The learned editor’s complimented paper is appearing in the journal spreading to twenty pages (JIHC, pp.17-38). What and how the Professor has added his scholarship? Anything new? NO.

The learned Professor has just vomited what the propagandist missionaries and fraudulent group has already aided and abetted with the unscrupulous Archbishop & fundamentalist elements. Dr. Sadasivam has ironically not read what Dr. N. Nagaswamy has written about “the doubtful Thomas”. He has happily concluded as follows:

It can be understood from the foregoing study that even in the absence of any documented history, the universal and local Christian traditions are unanimous in their views that St. Thomas arrived in India in 52 A. D., reached Mylapore via the west-coast (Thirivithancode-Aralvaimozhi pass), performed there his apostolic service in converting the natives to his religious fold and suffered martyrdom there at the hands of a native in A. D. though there are differing versions are there about his killer(s) and the place of his martyrdom. Moreover, the presence of a strong St. Thomas community, the tomb, the Chapel and the Cross, and the architectural remains, makes us believe that St. Thomas was living among the Tamils of first century A. D. however, it is premature to postulate a theory of Christian influence in Tamil works, particularly, Tirukkural, though it seems to display the possibility of having been influenced by the Bible or Christ/s Sermon on the Mount. But, a spark of Christian influence on the Tirukkural is not impossible as this didactic work is believed to have been written in the second century A. D., when St. Thomas Christians in the West Coast were still entrenched and began spreading the Gospel of Christ” (pp.33-34).

   So the cat is out. Denying Christian influence on Tirukkural is to place it in 2nd century and accept it! This makes one to remember what M/s. Arulappa and Acharya Paul Company has done in early 1980s. Now who is doing that to make Sadasivam to come to the same conclusion?

   He asserts to conclude: “the universal and local Christian traditions are unanimous”. What is that universal tradition? Something alien or superman-type? Came from heavens or sent by Christ and revealed to Sadasivam? And that too the traditions are unanimous! It is unfortunate that as an historian should he lie like this.

   . Moreover, the presence of a strong St. Thomas community, the tomb, the Chapel and the Cross, and the architectural remains, makes us believe that St. Thomas was living among the Tamils of first century A. D. Are the historians so naïve and gullible to believe instead of asking for historical evidences? Definitely, something has happened to this gang of historians who decided to accommodate such false, that too, already well-known forgery and fraudulent act. Who gives such dating of first century A. D and all? Not only his dating is wrong but also the notation, as now only BCE and CE are used. The learned historian has been so “christianic” to follow Anno Domini! Any way to follow fraudulent and forge history such dubious dates have to be followed.

    “But, a spark of Christian influence on the Tirukkural is not impossible as this didactic work is believed to have been written in the second century A. D., when St. Thomas Christians in the West Coast were still entrenched and began spreading the Gospel of Christ”. Very well indeed. Had Arulappa been alive, he would have generously funded to Sadasivam of Tirunelveli,  as he did to Acharya Paul of Sri Rangam. How e gets the same “research methodology” of Arulappa and Co.?

   The acknowledgement of Dr. G. J. Sudhakar is unbelievable: “Dr. K. Sadasivan, of Manonmaniam Sundaranar University has added his scholarship to this issue through his paper “Early Tamil oral, Literary and Archaeological traditions andSt. Thomas Christians“. He has been a history Professor of Loyola College, editor of several history-journals, office-bearer of IHC, SIHC, TNHC etc. So his admission and appreciation of “scholarship” aiding and abetting false history, fraudulent history etc., is intriguing and appears to be heading for dangerous situation.

   Dr. Nandita Krishna has been of course not new for the spread of myth, as she has already contributed her mite in “The Hindu”. For details: See www.hamsa.org However, being a great-daughter of C. P. Ramaswami Iyer in his name the Foundation runs and publishes this journal, this is something unfortunate, as she could have avoided it. At least, she could have told Sudhakar not to publish it. But, what is done becomes history!

   Anyway, why Indian historians have been becoming liars? One has to study this aspect.